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Old 02-16-11, 11:42 AM   #71
nekrosoft13
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Default Re: I know what phone i want ;)

1) Your Sony Ericsson C905 is slightly different animal (a hybrid) then a regular phone like Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, Droid X, Atrix etc.. Your C905 is combination of Phone and actual "real" Sony Cybershot camera. The Cybershot Camera actually used a better sensor similar to ones found in compact point & shoot cameras. To make this simpler for you to understand it’s like taking a car (phone) and putting a bigger engine (cybershot camera with P&S sensor) in it. For comparison Galaxy S II is like taking a car and putting more stickers on it to make it seem like its better. If you’re buying the Galaxy S II because you expecting the same image quality you will be surprised. 8MP image quality DOES NOT ALWAYS equal 8MP image quality. 4MP real camera (Canon G3) can take better images, which can be printed at larger scale then 8MP camera phone.

2) Software doesn't improve ISO performance, what software does, it raises ISO limit, and raises the amount of noise reduction performed. Same process is done on cheap cameras. That’s why "professionals" shoot in RAW mode, so they have full control over the camera image files, and most importantly can decide on options like white balance, saturation, NOISE REDUCTION etc... But again, in case of your C905 a hybrid, it could be a case of Sony limiting phone capability.

3) Another mistake was using Pentax Optio LS1000 as your definition of real camera. A cheap $150 bucks camera from a company that is barely kicking, trying to stay afloat? From a company that never been known for good point and shoots. Looks like a camera you would buy at Walgreens that would be on a shelf right next to GE and HP camera.

4) (to continue point 3) higher end point and shoot cameras don't have 12, 14, 16MP, they have 10MP MAX. Including S90, S95, G11, G12, LX5, etc... Some companies including Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, Samsung, and Olympus realized that there was no point to continue megapixel battle and reducing image quality year by year. Why did camera companies lower MP? So instead they released premium point and shoot cameras with larger sensor and lower MP count, lowering mega pixel density, and improving image quality on large scale. While the ultra-cheap higher MP count cameras still sell like cupcakes by the un-educated Best Buy employees. People that know anything about photography have the option of buying a better camera.

Pentax you mentioned has a sensor size of 6.2 x 4.6 mm
Phone cameras sensors range from 2 x 1.6 mm to around 5 x 4 mm
Cameras I mentioned have sensor size of 7.6 x 5.7 mm
Camera I use has a sensor size of 22.3 x 14.9 mm
Camera I sometimes use has a sensor of 36 x 24 mm (and will be my next purchase)

And yes that small difference makes a huge difference.

4) i don't care how "hacked" is your driver/camera software, to really control aperture you need a diaphragm, and regular phones, some that you mentioned don't have that. Even some cheap compact cameras don't.


I will tell you how "hacked" driver works, it gives you an illusion, software image manipulation, basically it fools you. "Hacked" driver doesn't add missing hardware.

5) Post what you just post here on "professional" photography forum and you will be laughed at.

6) if phone camera takes such an amazing photos, why all the pictures taken with phone camera and posted on this forum look like ****, and can be spotted from distance. There are bunch in post your rigs thread or bunch in picture thread.

7) all that Vignette app does (acording to description) it adds cheap software filters and effects. Something that can be done to any photo in after processing process. And when its done afterwards you have bigger control over the effect. Not impressed.

When all the “professional” photographers stumble upon your discovery that phone camera takes better pictures then their expensive gear, they will give you Nobel Prize for saving them thousands of dollars on gear.

HAHA, or they will just laugh at your face.

And again read about Megapixel Myth

First, let’s talk about the megapixel myth. Many of us believe the more megapixels we have on our mobile phone camera, the better our photos will be. Today, not a day goes by when some mobile phone manufacturer or the other boasts about the megapixels on the cameras crammed into its handsets. Yet, we all end up snapping pictures that are dark, blurry, somewhat discolored and, well, not very cool.
The reason for that is while the mobile cameras might have the megapixels, the overall capabilities aren’t enough for the camera to grab as much light and process the images effectively. At a certain point, more megapixels become counter productive, unless there are certain other capabilities. Let me explain.
The digital picture quality is determined by multiple factors: pixel count, sensor size, lens quality and how the pixels are organized. In case of cellular cameras, the lenses are fixed-focus and sensors are too small. Often, the resolution of the sensor sometimes exceeds the capabilities of the lens, which forces makers of cell-phones to use big lenses, which often leads to ungainly looking cameras on phones. And that’s not all.
Camera manufacturers are cramming more pixels onto a camera sensor without increasing the physical size of the sensor. Thus the physical size of the pixels and the distance between pixels is going down. With a reduction in the amount of light that hits each pixel and “bleeding over” of light from one pixel to an adjacent one, picture quality is impaired. Hence, the notion that more pixels equals better pictures isn’t always true. The obvious way to solve this problem is to use a large sensor and a large lens to capture more light, but unfortunately with this approach, you end up with a much thicker mobile phone.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/te...y/08pogue.html

More: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm

this has to be one of the longest replies I wrote on this forum

What else you going to tell me?
That good multifunction machine prints better then a good dedicated printer?
That good multifunction machine scans better then a good dedicated scanner?
That ATI AIW card captures video better then a proffesional capture card?
That Cell phone camcorder records video better then a proper camcorder?
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