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Old 01-02-12, 03:22 PM   #164
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Default Re: Official Radeon 7970 Review and discussion thread

Originally Posted by shadow001 View Post
See... You're the one quoting february or march for the HD7970 killer, and really setting yourself up for a roasting if nothing shows up by then, and as far as overall performance boosts go, the HD7970 is pretty close to 50% faster than the HD6970, so what's you're point?
Who do you think people will want to roast more?

Me for posting a story that says multiple sources confirm a better card is coming in this business quarter, perhaps causing people to hold off on paying etail gouger prices for a card that is soon going to look second class? (like everything else AMD does)

Or you, who tells them "It will be a long time till Keplers! Buy now like me!" and then they find themselves with cards that are worth far less, and far less attractive if the FUDZilla article is true?

Worst case scenario if I'm wrong- they do without the 7970s unremarkable performance gains for a couple months. (and buy the card(s) for less at that point and save money)

Worst case scenario if you're wrong- they own cards that are devalued by the release of better cards, and being used. So they're stuck with their decision unless they want to eat a big loss.

Sounds to me like my advice will save them money either way and the only loss is a couple months of better performance. Your reckless advice will not only cost them a lot of money if you're wrong, but lock them in a poor choice unless they want to eat a big loss.

Sounds to me like I'm on safer ground than you for the potential "roasting".

Originally Posted by shadow001 View Post
Is it that 50% from Nvidia for Kepler over Fermi in performance somehow worth more than the 50% you get from the HD7970 over the HD6970?...Explain?
Sure. It depends on what you're looking for from ATi. If you're just looking for them to have a second place card for this gen like they always do, the 7970 is a great card. It does indeed eclipse the 6970 by 40-50% and as such is a success.

The problems come in if you hoped ATi would release an industry leader this generation with their new arch like they did when they bought the 9700 Pro off of ArtX. (or had the arguably better part with the X1900XT) Or if you are an ATi customer because you like their "cheaper but about as good" strategy. As I noted above, this is likely a quick cash grab because they know Kepler is coming soon and they'll be back to cheap soon.

Originally Posted by shadow001 View Post
And never mind the sapphire card at 1335 Mhz.... Look at what VR-zone managed to do with a regular HD7970 just by increasing voltage and still using the stock cooler....A 335Mhz overclock, and shamino already has a result with them cooled on LN2 at 1.7 Ghz...
LOL- LN2?! They probably OC well on the moon and outside at the North Pole too, but for 99.99999999999999999% of us that doesn't matter.
Overvolting? Yeah, I always like to risk destroying my high end parts so I can either be out $500 or have to see a thief everytime I look in the mirror for that 10% extra performance.
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