stability

Michel · 04-28-03, 09:24 AM

I thaught before I came here, but it's getting really annoying!!!!
On othger boards there was a discussion if your nvidia-driver causes stability-problems...
Since I installed them, my system is quite stable, but not enough!! Certainly when I just am typing/sending an émail with mozilla....
I'm onlu using the drivers because I like the game bzflag and it needs 3d accell..but I'm really considering about going back to the opensource ones, that are more, more stable....
It's good that your drivers are fast, but they get anoying if you have to restart....To my opinion the stability-problem is really caused by nvidia's driver, because with the opensource ones, it's very stable....

In linux you can restart the xsrver, but that's not an option when you can't type or click anything!

To be a litlle bit positive: I've noticed that the nvidia drivers got more stable...., but nothing in comparison to the opensource ones....
Question...When evrything locks up, can I see the error message somwhere??I think that maybe it's still written if there is one..because only the Xserver locks up, but thze rest keeps on going. I would like to report it, but on startup the /var/lof/Xfree86.0.log is a new one, not? Is the ".old" the one that possible contains an errormessage then?

Thanks, but it's really getting annoying...For the rest, it's a fantastic driver...

Michel Brabants
Belgium

Michel · 04-28-03, 09:38 AM

btw, I have a geforce2mxx400, but I don't see an option to change that...

volt · 04-28-03, 10:10 AM

This belongs in the linux community

GuyFawkes · 04-28-03, 02:50 PM

Hey Michel,

you're not alone. It's a well known problem of many people with the NVIDIA Driver. I wait for one and a half year, that they manage it :-)

But it looks to give a solution. In a gentoo Forum they told to set the RenderAccel-Option in XF86Config off. I'm trying it right now and will see. It looks like working:

/etc/XF86Config:

Section "Device"
xx xx
xx xx
Option "RenderAccel" "off"
xx xx

I hope it works more than the 10 min I try now ;-)

greez

K6-2 500
VIA vt82c586b
256MB RAM
GeForce 2 MX 32 MB

Michel · 04-28-03, 04:33 PM

Sorry, have no time to check it now...but what does RenderAccel and won't it decreass performance?
(Yes, I know I'm very demanding

)
So, the most stability bugs are in RenderAccel or how do I have to interpret this?

GuyFawkes · 04-28-03, 05:16 PM

Ahoi,

I'm sorry. 30 min. after posting here the system freezed again :-(

I hope any of NVIDIA's Guys will tell something about .....

Michel · 04-29-03, 03:32 AM

How many times does my system freezes?Let's say (0?)/1/2(maybe 3) times/week...Not much..well this is mostley the case..dependent on how many hours I use the computer..(use it quite much). I suppose nvidia has special drivers for certain professions, like peopel that do grahical stuff on the computer as a profession...because when it freezes....you of course loses everything. The opensource ones..Haven't use them for such a long time, but I think that every crash as an exception....

Michel · 04-29-03, 03:41 AM

The problem is ofcourse is that you don't knoz zhen the crashes come, so that you're "watching" your back all the time....

....very annoying.

GuyFawkes · 04-29-03, 04:50 AM

Yes, it's more than annoying. So I'm back on the OpenSource Driver from XFree.
I knew the prob long time, so I don't loose so many things when it freezes :-), but I haven't got second machine here to shutdown via ssh cleanly.
greez

Andy Mecham · 04-29-03, 12:50 PM

Do your freezes go away with AGP disabled?

--andy

GuyFawkes · 04-29-03, 01:34 PM

Ahoi,

I'll try this later, AGPgart is compiled into my Kernel, so I will use the SuSE-Standard for this. Formerly I used the tar.gz files (ca. 1500 fps glxgears), with the 4363 I used the rpms for SuSE 8.1 (ca. 1200 fps glxgears). I'm pry about the result without agp :-)
Thank You for the tip, you'll hear the result

greez Guy

GuyFawkes · 05-05-03, 05:42 PM

Ahoi,
it seems, that

Option "NvAgp" "0"

in the Device Section of XF86Config helps. It works with the static incompiled agpgart too. /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status tells only "disabled" and it works for the whole day now ;-)
glxgears still renders with ca. 1100fps.

I hope it is a continiously working solution, thx for the tip Andy

greez Guy

04-28-03, 09:24 AM	#1
Michel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	stability I thaught before I came here, but it's getting really annoying!!!! On othger boards there was a discussion if your nvidia-driver causes stability-problems... Since I installed them, my system is quite stable, but not enough!! Certainly when I just am typing/sending an émail with mozilla.... I'm onlu using the drivers because I like the game bzflag and it needs 3d accell..but I'm really considering about going back to the opensource ones, that are more, more stable.... It's good that your drivers are fast, but they get anoying if you have to restart....To my opinion the stability-problem is really caused by nvidia's driver, because with the opensource ones, it's very stable.... In linux you can restart the xsrver, but that's not an option when you can't type or click anything! To be a litlle bit positive: I've noticed that the nvidia drivers got more stable...., but nothing in comparison to the opensource ones.... Question...When evrything locks up, can I see the error message somwhere??I think that maybe it's still written if there is one..because only the Xserver locks up, but thze rest keeps on going. I would like to report it, but on startup the /var/lof/Xfree86.0.log is a new one, not? Is the ".old" the one that possible contains an errormessage then? Thanks, but it's really getting annoying...For the rest, it's a fantastic driver... Michel Brabants Belgium

04-28-03, 10:10 AM	#3
volt Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: /dev/null Posts: 1,556	This belongs in the linux community __________________ [b]Optimization guidelines by Koji Ashida of NVIDIA:[/b][list][]Use fx12 instructions whenever possible[]Use lowest pixel shader version[/list][url=http://developer.nvidia.com/docs/IO/10878/ChinaJoy2004_OptimizationAndTools.pdf]source[/url] [size=1]The politics are invading the technology. We don't really like to mess with politics because that kind of adversarial relationship has nothing to do with pure technical operations and the technical specifications of what we like to play with, the hardware![/size]

04-28-03, 04:33 PM	#5
Michel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	renderaccel off Sorry, have no time to check it now...but what does RenderAccel and won't it decreass performance? (Yes, I know I'm very demanding ) So, the most stability bugs are in RenderAccel or how do I have to interpret this?

04-28-03, 05:16 PM	#6
GuyFawkes Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 6	Ahoi, I'm sorry. 30 min. after posting here the system freezed again :-( I hope any of NVIDIA's Guys will tell something about ..... __________________ AMD K6-2 500MHz VIA vt82c596b 256 MB SDRAM GeForce 2 MX 32MB SuSE 8.1, mostly selfcompiled 2.4.19-4GB XFree 4.2.0-176

04-29-03, 03:32 AM	#7
Michel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	times How many times does my system freezes?Let's say (0?)/1/2(maybe 3) times/week...Not much..well this is mostley the case..dependent on how many hours I use the computer..(use it quite much). I suppose nvidia has special drivers for certain professions, like peopel that do grahical stuff on the computer as a profession...because when it freezes....you of course loses everything. The opensource ones..Haven't use them for such a long time, but I think that every crash as an exception....

04-28-03, 09:38 AM	#2
Michel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	btw, I have a geforce2mxx400, but I don't see an option to change that...

04-28-03, 02:50 PM	#4
GuyFawkes Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 6	Hey Michel, you're not alone. It's a well known problem of many people with the NVIDIA Driver. I wait for one and a half year, that they manage it :-) But it looks to give a solution. In a gentoo Forum they told to set the RenderAccel-Option in XF86Config off. I'm trying it right now and will see. It looks like working: /etc/XF86Config: Section "Device" xx xx xx xx Option "RenderAccel" "off" xx xx I hope it works more than the 10 min I try now ;-) greez K6-2 500 VIA vt82c586b 256MB RAM GeForce 2 MX 32 MB

04-29-03, 03:41 AM	#8
Michel Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14	soemthing The problem is ofcourse is that you don't knoz zhen the crashes come, so that you're "watching" your back all the time........very annoying.

04-29-03, 04:50 AM	#9
GuyFawkes Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 6	Yes, it's more than annoying. So I'm back on the OpenSource Driver from XFree. I knew the prob long time, so I don't loose so many things when it freezes :-), but I haven't got second machine here to shutdown via ssh cleanly. greez __________________ AMD K6-2 500MHz VIA vt82c596b 256 MB SDRAM GeForce 2 MX 32MB SuSE 8.1, mostly selfcompiled 2.4.19-4GB XFree 4.2.0-176

04-29-03, 12:50 PM	#10
Andy Mecham l33t master Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 1,163	Do your freezes go away with AGP disabled? --andy __________________ Andy Mecham NVIDIA Corporation

04-29-03, 01:34 PM	#11
GuyFawkes Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 6	Ahoi, I'll try this later, AGPgart is compiled into my Kernel, so I will use the SuSE-Standard for this. Formerly I used the tar.gz files (ca. 1500 fps glxgears), with the 4363 I used the rpms for SuSE 8.1 (ca. 1200 fps glxgears). I'm pry about the result without agp :-) Thank You for the tip, you'll hear the result greez Guy __________________ AMD K6-2 500MHz VIA vt82c596b 256 MB SDRAM GeForce 2 MX 32MB SuSE 8.1, mostly selfcompiled 2.4.19-4GB XFree 4.2.0-176

05-05-03, 05:42 PM	#12
GuyFawkes Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 6	Ahoi, it seems, that Option "NvAgp" "0" in the Device Section of XF86Config helps. It works with the static incompiled agpgart too. /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status tells only "disabled" and it works for the whole day now ;-) glxgears still renders with ca. 1100fps. I hope it is a continiously working solution, thx for the tip Andy greez Guy __________________ AMD K6-2 500MHz VIA vt82c596b 256 MB SDRAM GeForce 2 MX 32MB SuSE 8.1, mostly selfcompiled 2.4.19-4GB XFree 4.2.0-176