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Old 09-26-07, 04:44 PM   #49
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Good thing we aren't using Mpeg-2 anymore.

Face it... you HD-DVD fanboys always said you had better PQ, it isn't true anymore, and you only have "features" which last I saw (using 300 as reference), didn't equal squat for sales compared to the BD version.
HD DVD does have better picture quality. MPEG-2 is being used by BD studios, still. But who is "we"? Are you some BD team? Unlike you, I have a reference quality system and both formats and can judge for myself.

You also fail to analyze numbers in a meaningful way. 300 BD outsold 300 HD DVD 2:1, with 5:1 the install base. Very *bad* performance. We are talking about .6 % of the market versus .4 %. The total numbers don't mean **** for now.
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Old 09-26-07, 11:12 PM   #50
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Attach ratio doesn't mean squat. Face it.
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Old 09-27-07, 08:00 AM   #51
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You also fail to analyze numbers in a meaningful way. 300 BD outsold 300 HD DVD 2:1, with 5:1 the install base. Very *bad* performance. We are talking about .6 % of the market versus .4 %. The total numbers don't mean **** for now.
FWIW, the Wall Street Journal claims that HDDVD has the lead in hardware with about 58% of the market using it over Blue-ray. They claim that HDDVD starting around $300 for players is why when BRD start around $449. The PS3 is why they claim BRD disc sales to be up higher than HDDVD. I don't know how concrete those numbers are though.

IMO, the platform that reaches the lowest price point first will win. It has been proven in the past with sales figures that go up drastically as the price gets closer to $200. That is all the average Joe cares about because he understands dollars a lot better than he understands resolutions, acronyms, or whatever. Just because PS3s have them doesn't mean squat. How many people used their PS2 instead of a real DVD player?
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FWIW, the Wall Street Journal claims that HDDVD has the lead in hardware with about 58% of the market using it over Blue-ray. They claim that HDDVD starting around $300 for players is why when BRD start around $449. The PS3 is why they claim BRD disc sales to be up higher than HDDVD. I don't know how concrete those numbers are though.

IMO, the platform that reaches the lowest price point first will win. It has been proven in the past with sales figures that go up drastically as the price gets closer to $200. That is all the average Joe cares about because he understands dollars a lot better than he understands resolutions, acronyms, or whatever. Just because PS3s have them doesn't mean squat. How many people used their PS2 instead of a real DVD player?
Or neither, with the inception of lower-priced dual-format players/recorders neither format at that point has to win. And if dual-format goes mainstream then both can exist. Heck BB will shortly have 300 & 400 dollar dual-format drives (reader & writer respectively). So we are nearly to mainstream.

The one issue I have right now is that HD-DVD has yet to release a computer drive for recording. While Blu-Ray is on 6x now.
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Or neither, with the inception of lower-priced dual-format players/recorders neither format at that point has to win. And if dual-format goes mainstream then both can exist. Heck BB will shortly have 300 & 400 dollar dual-format drives (reader & writer respectively). So we are nearly to mainstream.

The one issue I have right now is that HD-DVD has yet to release a computer drive for recording. While Blu-Ray is on 6x now.
If a dual-format player came out at a $499 MSRP, it'd be one thing...but these $999 players cost more than two stand-alones. nothxbai
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If a dual-format player came out at a $499 MSRP, it'd be one thing...but these $999 players cost more than two stand-alones. nothxbai
BB has removed them off their website (can we say ooops! ), here's a google cache.
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Attach ratio doesn't mean squat. Face it.
To every single studio it does, maybe not to limpwrists.
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nice...I meant a stand-alone deck player though, not for PC. I don't care about a PC drive because that's the last place I want to watch a movie...especially since thanks to the 3007 not having a 1920x1200 resolution via hardware scaling, I'm stuck watching in 720p max and the current players don't scale HD DVDs down, so I'm watching 1080p content at 1280x800...I only see like 1/3 of the screen.

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FWIW, the Wall Street Journal claims that HDDVD has the lead in hardware with about 58% of the market using it over Blue-ray. They claim that HDDVD starting around $300 for players is why when BRD start around $449. The PS3 is why they claim BRD disc sales to be up higher than HDDVD. I don't know how concrete those numbers are though.
I dont know how accurate was that but on Monday HTSA announced they now gone Blu-ray exclusively, based on Home Theater Specialists of America's $500m revenue, 92% of HTSA customers bought Blu-ray players and a very tiny 8% of HTSA customers bought HD-DVD or combo players.

Next month it will be completed 100% Blu-ray sales.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=532

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Betamax was reached the lowest $200 price point first and won but in the end VHS won because here are far so many overpriced VHS hardwares brands on sales than just one very cheap Sony brand Betamax recorders I saw in 1985, it was really very depressed to see it lonely in front of 15 VHS brands in Radio Rental store.

History will repeat with Blu-ray won in the end because it got everything and more hardwares like Blu-ray camcorders, PS3s, Blu-ray players, Blu-ray recorders, Blu-ray BD-ROMs, Blu-ray writers, Blu-ray BD-ROMs combo with HD-DVD reader and Blu-ray writer combo with HD-DVD reader. What Toshiba got are HD-DVD players, Xbox 360 external HD-DVD ROM drives and very fewer Toshiba HD-DVD ROMs but no HD-DVD writers, HD-DVD recorders and HD-DVD camcorders.
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You just quoted Blu-ray.com as a source of news, lol. Read the PS3 fanboy comments
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History will repeat with Blu-ray won in the end because it got everything and more hardwares like Blu-ray camcorders, PS3s, Blu-ray players, Blu-ray recorders, Blu-ray BD-ROMs, Blu-ray writers, Blu-ray BD-ROMs combo with HD-DVD reader and Blu-ray writer combo with HD-DVD reader. What Toshiba got are HD-DVD players, Xbox 360 external HD-DVD ROM drives and very fewer Toshiba HD-DVD ROMs but no HD-DVD writers, HD-DVD recorders and HD-DVD camcorders.
Maybe if they weren't on the verge of making all existing Blu-ray equipment obsolete and incapable of playing advanced features (or perhaps the entire disc) of future media once the 1.1 spec is finalized.

You're fanboyism has blinded you to the fact that BD users are still beta testing. And it wasn't a free beta.
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