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Old 09-09-07, 01:15 PM   #1
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Question TV-Card just shows a blue screen

Hello,

thank you very much for not only developing really great graphic cards but also for providing Linux drivers so I can enjoy the cards using my favorite operating system.

Unfortunately I have a problem with my tv-card and my NVidia GeForce 8500 GT on my Kubuntu 7.04 64-Bit, my kernel-version is 2.6.20-16-generic. I'm using your recent driver 100.14.11 AMD64 which runs fine normally, even 3D is no problem.

My tv-card is a WinTV by Hauppage containing a Conexant chipset (TP18PSB11D) that is as far as I know supported by Linux. The card installed properly, all driver modules where loaded. When I start a program to watch TV, I get no error messages, I can switch the channels without problems and I can hear every channels sound. Sadly I cannot see a picture, the tv screen gets simply blue. No flicks, no spots, simply a bright blue screen. I only get the blue screen when I switch to a proper channel, if no channel is set, I see the flickering screen you would expect. The on-screen-displays are visible the way they should on the blue screens. This behavior is independent from the program used (amongst others I tried TVtime, xawTV and kdeTV).

Due to the fact that no error messages appear in the programs for watching TV and that I can obviously control my tv-card, I assume a problem with the graphic card and/or driver. I've read some stuff about deactivating DGA and using overlays. Please correct me if I put the saddle on the wrong horse.

Please find the desired nvidia-bug-report.log attached. I had some problems with starting the x-server with the logverbose option but I hope you can get the needed information without. If not, please inform me.

Thanks a lot anyway!

Greetings
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Old 09-09-07, 07:21 PM   #2
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Hi,

which tv app are you using (I recommend xdtv) start it from a konsole/xterm/gnome-terminal and have a look for the output.

For some combinations of cards, drivers, X and options in X, overlay does not work.

If that is the case, click on the tv-window to open the menu and change the 'capture' setting to 'grabdisplay' (with xdtv/xawdecode/xawtv). Or have a look into the settings menus.
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Old 09-10-07, 05:36 PM   #3
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Hello,

thank you for the quick reply.

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which tv app are you using (I recommend xdtv) start it from a konsole/xterm/gnome-terminal and have a look for the output.
As mentioned above, I tried xawTV, TVtime and KDETV, the behavior is the same with every program. The command line result for xawTV if started without any parameter is this:

Code:
This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/x86_64 (2.6.20-16-generic)
X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode
  Major opcode of failed request:  136 (XFree86-DGA)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL)
  Serial number of failed request:  67
  Current serial number in output stream:  67
I read that DGA was disabled in recent nvidia drivers, so I started the application with the option -nodga. The result is:

Code:
This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/x86_64 (2.6.20-16-generic)
X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode
  Major opcode of failed request:  136 (XFree86-DGA)
  Minor opcode of failed request:  1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL)
  Serial number of failed request:  13
  Current serial number in output stream:  13
v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-*" to type FontStruct
But the programm is running then as described above (blue screen, no sound).

As you suggested I installed xdtv but I cannot get the program to work. No matter what option I use when starting the program, I get the following in return:

Code:
xdtv: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86dga.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Quote:
Originally Posted by energyman76b
If that is the case, click on the tv-window to open the menu and change the 'capture' setting to 'grabdisplay' (with xdtv/xawdecode/xawtv). Or have a look into the settings menus.
In fact I cannot use the overlay option. I can turn the capture mode to off or to grabdisplay, the results are different shades of blue. Overlay is simply disregarded.

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Old 09-10-07, 07:11 PM   #4
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well, I get this:
$ xdtv

This is xdtv 2.4.0 running on Linux/x86_64 (2.6.22.5reiser4).
scandir: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
filename = /home/energyman/.xdtv/xdtvrc
X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode
Major opcode of failed request: 137 (XFree86-DGA)
Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL)
Serial number of failed request: 13
Current serial number in output stream: 13
xdtv_v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
wmhooks: netwm detected
wmhooks: netwm state above supported
wmhooks: netwm fullscreen supported
wmhooks: nothing found...
DGA: server=2.0, include=2.0
VidMode: server=2.2, include=2.2
available video mode(s): 1280x960 1024x768 800x600 640x480 640x400 1280x960 1152x864 1152x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 1024x768 960x720 928x696 896x672 832x624 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x600 800x512 720x400 640x512 640x512 640x512 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x480 640x350 576x432 576x384 512x384 512x384 512x384 512x384 512x384 416x312 400x300 400x300 400x300 400x300 400x300 360x200 320x240 320x240 320x240 320x240 320x200 320x175
Selected XvImage adaptor with yuyv support: NV17 Video Texture on port 355 (grabdisplay)
Selected XvImage adaptor with yuyv support: NV05 Video Blitter on port 387 (grabdisplay)
No XvVideo port available.
Warning: Cannot convert string "none" to type relief
WARNING: video memory base unknown, may be caused by a problem
with xdtv_v4l-conf or a non-availability of DGA
and frame buffer devices: CLASSICAL OVERLAY IS DISABLED !
*** GRABBER DEVICE TYPE = v4l2
Warning: Cannot convert string "-xxl-ledfixed-medium-r-semicondensed--39-120-75-75-c-180-*-*" to type FontStruct
Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
Warning: Cannot convert string "-xxl-ledfixed-medium-r-semicondensed--39-120-75-75-c-180-*-*, -jis-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-jisx0208.1983-0" to type FontSet
MMX, SSE, AMD MMX extensions, SSE2, 3DNOW, have been detected.
Method glibc
*** AUDIO DEVICE TYPE = alsa
*** MIXER DEVICE TYPE = alsa

if it complains about a missing lib - maybe you should install it=
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Old 09-10-07, 10:41 PM   #5
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Quote:
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My tv-card is a WinTV by Hauppage containing a Conexant chipset (TP18PSB11D)
Just as an FYI, the TP18PSB11D is not a Conexant chipset, rather it is the LG tuner can/module on the card. This contains the tuner and IF demodulator ICs along with related circutry needed to pull in the signal. The Conexant chip is the video decoder (i.e. it provides ADC; analog-to-digital conversion), and quite likely the sound ADC too, depending upon the exact chip being used by your card.

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the tv screen gets simply blue. No flicks, no spots, simply a bright blue screen. I only get the blue screen when I switch to a proper channel, if no channel is set, I see the flickering screen you would expect. The on-screen-displays are visible the way they should on the blue screens. This behavior is independent from the program used (amongst others I tried TVtime, xawTV and kdeTV).
the blue screen is indicative of overlay working ... the fact that you just get a blue screen could also be indicative that you have the wrong tuner type set for or being loaded for your card....but first:

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I assume a problem with the graphic card and/or driver. I've read some stuff about deactivating DGA and using overlays. Please correct me if I put the saddle on the wrong horse.
wrong saddle.

Since nvidia removed dga support from their X driver, you will have to forgo using xv with a number of applications.

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I read that DGA was disabled in recent nvidia drivers, so I started the application with the option -nodga. The result is:
....

But the programm is running then as described above (blue screen, no sound).
using -nodga alone is not enough with a number of apps. You will have to disable xv too. For example, with xawtv, you can accomplish that via either:

$ xawtv -noxv -nodga
$ xawtv -c /dev/video0 -nodga

(as indicated in the man page, using the -c/-device /dev/video parameter will disable xv, so the two commands essentially net the same result)

p.s. try motv instead of xawtv ... its essentially xawtv but with a slightly better user interface

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I installed xdtv but I cannot get the program to work.
I've never been successful with xdtv either. It either borks during the build process (for reasons I have not bothered to investigate) or, if it is successfully built, it doesn't want to work when I've attempted to run it, but rather reports errors that to the best of my knowledge should not occur (and that, once again, I have not bothered to investigate the root cause or reason).

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In fact I cannot use the overlay option. I can turn the capture mode to off or to grabdisplay, the results are different shades of blue. Overlay is simply disregarded.
Actually, it sounds like the app is starting in overlay by default, and some sort of incompatibility situation occurs that causes a lock up that prevents your attempts to switch to grab display.

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I tried TVtime
that xawtv didn't work (without using -nodga -noxv) isn't surprising, but that TVtime isn't working is a little more surprising..which makes me wonder if indeed whether the tuner type is set correctly.
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Old 09-11-07, 05:53 PM   #6
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Quote:
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if it complains about a missing lib - maybe you should install it=
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the lib is installed. Maybe it is a problem because I mixed up the 32 bit app with a 64 Bit lib?

Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
Just as an FYI, the TP18PSB11D is not a Conexant chipset, rather it is the LG tuner can/module on the card. (...)
OK, thanks for the info, I was just referring to the result of lspci:
Code:
01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 03)
01:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 03)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
using -nodga alone is not enough with a number of apps. You will have to disable xv too. For example, with xawtv, you can accomplish that via either:

$ xawtv -noxv -nodga
$ xawtv -c /dev/video0 -nodga
I used the nodga option all the time, otherwise xawTV would not start. using the two commands above it is still the same (sound but only a blue screen).

Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
that xawtv didn't work (without using -nodga -noxv) isn't surprising, but that TVtime isn't working is a little more surprising..which makes me wonder if indeed whether the tuner type is set correctly.
Any suggestions how to find out? I tried all the tuner models from LG and Philips as I heard that the manufactorer of my Card (Hauppage) used them. In two thirds of the cases everything stayed the same, in one third I didn't even get the blue screen and sound. I stopped trying other tuner models as they seem to crash my X-server after a will and/or cannot be unloaded.

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Old 09-11-07, 08:15 PM   #7
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Quote:
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Using the two commands above it is still the same (sound but only a blue screen).
Okay, sounds like the card is either not auto-detecting (if its a supported model) and/or the wrong tuner is being used, and the decoder is simply not receiving any video signal.
Quote:
My tv-card is a WinTV by Hauppage containing a Conexant chipset (TP18PSB11D)
.... [snip] ...
the result of lspci:
Code:
01:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 03)
01:06.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 03)
Do you know the exact model name Markus? If not, could you provide the output of "lspci -s 01:06.0 -vnn"

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Any suggestions how to find out? I tried all the tuner models from LG and Philips as I heard that the manufactorer of my Card (Hauppage) used them.
What is the relevant content of dmesg ?

Your tuner is number 29 (see: here). If your card is currently supported, it should be found in the cx88 card list (see here).

See this and this for some more help.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that the lib is installed. Maybe it is a problem because I mixed up the 32 bit app with a 64 Bit lib?
if it is a 32bit lib, a 64bit app won't use it. You need 64bit libs for 64bit apps and 32bit libs for 32bit apps. If ubuntu does make it hard to mix 32&64bit apps because it does not resolve deps correctly, it is buggy.
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Thanks for all the help so far. I've tried to find out some things today.

But first let me say that I do not want to blur this forum as I now think my problem might not be related to the nvidia driver. I get to this conclusion because it is the same with the TV card when I use the non-proprietary nv driver or the standard vesa driver. And I was even more surprised when I connected my digicam to the composite port of the tv card. I could see the input from the digicam quite clearly in the grabdisplay-mode, so the problem should have something to do with the tuner and not with the graphic card.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
Do you know the exact model name Markus? If not, could you provide the output of "lspci -s 01:06.0 -vnn"
Both.

I opened my computer and found the following information on the tv card:
  • On the Board itself: Hauppage Computer 340000-05 34604 REV148
  • On a big grey metal box (the tuner I think): WinTV PAL-B/G 34604 REV148
  • Printed on the side of this box: TPI8PS-B11D 20 2232
  • On a tiny little black chip: CX23881-27 E222550-1 0221 KOREA
The ouput of "lspci -s 01:06.0 -vnn" is as followed:

Code:
01:06.0 Multimedia video controller [0400]: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [14f1:8800] (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx models [0070:3401]
        Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 20, IRQ 18
        Memory at fa000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
        Capabilities: [44] Vital Product Data
        Capabilities: [4c] Power Management version 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
What is the relevant content of dmesg ?
I think these are the relevant lines:

Code:
(...)
[   38.596406] cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.6 loaded
[   38.596752] ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC3] enabled at IRQ 18
[   38.596760] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:06.0[A] -> Link [APC3] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[   38.596785] CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 0070:3401, board: Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx models [card=1,autodetected]
[   38.596788] TV tuner -1 at 0x1fe, Radio tuner -1 at 0x1fe
(...)
[   38.745878] tveeprom 2-0050: Hauppauge model 34604, rev E148, serial# 6272505
[   38.745882] tveeprom 2-0050: tuner model is LG TP18PSB11D (idx 48, type 29)
[   38.745884] tveeprom 2-0050: TV standards PAL(B/G) (eeprom 0x04)
[   38.745886] tveeprom 2-0050: audio processor is CX881 (idx 31)
[   38.745887] tveeprom 2-0050: has no radio
[   38.745889] cx88[0]: warning: unknown hauppauge model #34604
[   38.745890] cx88[0]: hauppauge eeprom: model=34604
[   38.745939] input: cx88 IR (Hauppauge WinTV 34xxx  as /class/input/input6
[   38.745963] cx88[0]/0: found at 0000:01:06.0, rev: 3, irq: 18, latency: 20, mmio: 0xfa000000
(...)
[   38.797444] tuner 2-0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (cx88[0])
[   38.797471] tuner 2-0061: type set to 29 (LG PAL_BG (TPI8PSB11D))
[   38.797473] tuner 2-0061: type set to 29 (LG PAL_BG (TPI8PSB11D))
[   38.810658] cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 [v4l2]
[   38.810672] cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi0
[   38.810685] cx88[0]/0: registered device radio0
[   38.930546] cx2388x alsa driver version 0.0.6 loaded
[   38.930589] ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:06.1[A] -> Link [APC3] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
[   38.930594] PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:01:06.1 to 64
[   38.930610] cx88[0]/1: CX88x/0: ALSA support for cx2388x boards
(...)
Quote:
Originally Posted by CityK
Your tuner is number 29 (see: here). If your card is currently supported, it should be found in the cx88 card list (see here).

See this and this for some more help.
These things all match. All in all I think that my card gets detected correctly.

But I found out something strange: yesterday the tv cable was damaged on the floor below our apartment. The tv channels were malfunctioning then. The channels hat some spots, some were even black and white and a few channels were missing totally. Surprisingly, the strong channels were visible then using the tv card that caused so much trouble. But as the cable got repaired: blue screen again. I was nor able to reproduce the situation by deranging the cables but when there is a signal attached to the com, the blue screen is flickering and I can see some tiny shapes of the program (either that or I looked on the screen for too long).

I think this is such a strange behavior that I would assume that the tuner component of the card is simply broken. I think I will call the dealer.

Any other suggestions?

I found a hint on the web, someone with a card from the same vendor who had a blue screen but got rid of it through changing the video driver from v4l2 to v4l but I do not know if this is appropriate for me as I can select v4l in kdetv and still get the blue screen (but even no sound). Anyway the system wide change option for the video standard is not where the author of the hint described so I am unable to test.

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Old 09-14-07, 02:28 PM   #10
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I now think my problem might not be related to the nvidia driver. I get to this conclusion because it is the same with the TV card when I use the non-proprietary nv driver or the standard vesa driver....I could see the input from the digicam quite clearly in the grabdisplay-mode, so the problem should have something to do with the tuner and not with the graphic card.
Yep, definitely not nvidia related, and you are indeed correct about the problem being related to the tuner.

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And I was even more surprised when I connected my digicam to the composite port of the tv card. I could see the input from the digicam quite clearly in the grabdisplay-mode
Actually, what you observed isn't too surprising. Provided the GPIO programming for the a/v inputs for your card are correct in the cx88 driver, then you'll usually be able to obtain video and audio on these inputs. Quite often during development of support for new devices, it is the a/v inputs that become usable before the tv tuner support is added.

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These things all match. All in all I think that my card gets detected correctly.
Yes, but I think I know where the problem lies.

Vendors quite often make minor changes on/to an existing device during is production life. In this case, I believe it is simply the tuner module that has changed -- Hauppauge is actually quite infamous for making tuner substitutions on models. And while the LG tuner module itself is supported under Linux, it is likely now a case of getting the glue code for your model correct. (i.e. all the separate components have to be tied together in order for the device to function properly).

The evidence to this (given from your visual inspection report, the pci subsystem info, and dmesg output) is the following:
Quote:
[ 38.745889] cx88[0]: warning: unknown hauppauge model #34604
While everything is getting detected correctly, it appears as that the definition for your model is not in the code for the Conexant chip. The definition would outline how the various components are wired/attached to the cx88 decoder (i.e. the glue). Consequently, the decoder is not receiving any video signal from the tv tuner. The fact that you are receiving audio is simply due to a match with an already existing configuration setting in the cx88 driver.

Its quite possible that the issue here is that the video from the tvtuner is being sent to a 3rd party switch IC first (i.e. the switch would handle input from either the tv tuner or your a/v inputs and route it to the cx88 decoder), and that the GPIO setting(s) from the switch to the cx88 aren't quite right. With some experimentation to find the right setting, some rather minor changes to the cx88 driver should reveal the video signal.

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But I found out something strange: yesterday the tv cable was damaged on the floor below our apartment. The tv channels were malfunctioning then. The channels hat some spots, some were even black and white and a few channels were missing totally. Surprisingly, the strong channels were visible then using the tv card that caused so much trouble. But as the cable got repaired: blue screen again. I was nor able to reproduce the situation by deranging the cables but when there is a signal attached to the com, the blue screen is flickering and I can see some tiny shapes of the program (either that or I looked on the screen for too long).

I think this is such a strange behavior
Were you warm booting from Windows by chance? It is not an uncommon case where the tuner (or elements there of) isn't getting initialized correctly in Linux, but is done correctly by the Windows drivers, and so by warm booting into Linux from Windows, the device functions correctly.

Quote:
I would assume that the tuner component of the card is simply broken.
That's always a possibility, but I suspect the above to be the case instead....I now that I read this, I realize that you haven't booted into Windows ...

Quote:
Any other suggestions?
* .... and speaking of Windows, if you have access (either in your own system or a friend's perhaps), try the card out in Windows to rule out a hardware failure/fault.

* mmmm, to rule out the slim possibility of the problem being the case of a simple oversight, make sure that the broadcast video standard is correctly set in your viewing apps to your locales flavour of PAL.

* There are two google threads that I found quickly that might help. However, they are both in German and my comprehension of German is non-existant. Nonetheless, here they are:
- http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/114784/#921171
- http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/arch.../t-178259.html

I Haven't a clue about where the discussion in the first thread leads, but the second is obviously suggesting using the modprobe card and tuner options (which you would have found mention to from my earlier link to the V4L wiki articles and which you may have already tried). Frankly, I doubt that would work -- both the card and tuner are already being detected correctly ... and as I outlined above, it just appears that your model (34604) is a currently an undefined subset of the 34xxx models, which all share the same 0070:3401 subsystem ID. ... still, stranger things can happen, so its worth a shot....nonetheless, I suspect my earlier argument is the correct one.

* Lastly, I would move the discussion over to the V4L mailing list. Someone more familiar with your board and/or components should be able to help out.

All in all, I suspect a 'couple of lines' patch will get video from your tv tuner working.
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Old 10-15-07, 04:03 PM   #11
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Hello again,

sorry that I didn't answer for quite a long time. On the one hand I had a lot of work to do, on the other hand I wanted to finish my investigations and saw no reason to write down every step here that provides no vital information.

Quote:
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if it is a 32bit lib, a 64bit app won't use it. You need 64bit libs for 64bit apps and 32bit libs for 32bit apps. If ubuntu does make it hard to mix 32&64bit apps because it does not resolve deps correctly, it is buggy.
In fact I found out that I only looked at the 64-Bit libs in /usr/lib/. I installed the 32-Bit lib in /usr/lib32/ and everything runs fine.

Quote:
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Yep, definitely not nvidia related, and you are indeed correct about the problem being related to the tuner. (...)
Thank you very much for your detailed description. I learned a lot from it.

But, long story short: The tuner was broken! I wasted three days of my live on trying to get a broken card to work. After my last posting I flirted with the dark side and connected the card to my father's Windows PC. Surprisingly the card behaved in the same way as it did in my linux system: blue screen. So I sent the card back to the dealer and last weekend I finally got the message, that the card is broken beyond all repair and that there is no supply left of this model. The dealer gave me back my money, I bought a new card (Hauppage again but a slightly different chipset) and what shall I say: The new card works out-of-the-box.

Goddammit, spended evening after evening on a broken 20something-bucks-card. AAAARRRGH! But I try to see it in a positive way: As mentioned before I learned a lot about modules and TV cards and now I have really earned the TV in my working room ;-)

So one last time: THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your help, especially after it became clear that I am not dealing with your "usual" subject as the nvidia card/driver was not the source of evil. I really appreciated that!

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