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Old 12-13-07, 10:42 PM   #13
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+1 for the Onkyo 605... I got one and love it.
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Old 12-13-07, 11:36 PM   #14
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Yeah I got mine almost right after it came out, good receiver. Got a hell of a deal too, paid only $300 for it.
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Old 12-13-07, 11:55 PM   #15
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not trying to troll or nothin, but it's sad that audio ever got so compressed.

MP3 and mp4 are the worst tech ever made, IMO.

I miss the days when we got raw uncompressed cd-da audio. **** sounded so much clearer.
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Old 12-14-07, 09:57 AM   #16
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not trying to troll or nothin, but it's sad that audio ever got so compressed.

MP3 and mp4 are the worst tech ever made, IMO.

I miss the days when we got raw uncompressed cd-da audio. **** sounded so much clearer.
IMO this is only the case when using a crappy encoder. When MP3 debuted, crappy encoders like Xing were the norm - which gave MP3 a bad reputation.

However, now we can encode MP3 and have quality the same as CD while saving a ton of space. Use the LAME MP3 encoder at 256kbps VBR and you won't be able to tell the difference between the MP3 and the CD. Same thing with WMA/AAC 192kbps VBR. I think MP3 is a fantastic tech just like other lossy techs like WMA, AAC, Dolby Digital/DD+, and DTS. They deliver the same quality (as proved by double blind tests) as uncompressed in a fraction of the space. The only catch is you need a high quality encoder to achieve these results.
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IMO this is only the case when using a crappy encoder. When MP3 debuted, crappy encoders like Xing were the norm - which gave MP3 a bad reputation.

However, now we can encode MP3 and have quality the same as CD while saving a ton of space. Use the LAME MP3 encoder at 256kbps VBR and you won't be able to tell the difference between the MP3 and the CD. Same thing with WMA/AAC 192kbps VBR. I think MP3 is a fantastic tech just like other lossy techs like WMA, AAC, Dolby Digital/DD+, and DTS. They deliver the same quality (as proved by double blind tests) as uncompressed in a fraction of the space. The only catch is you need a high quality encoder to achieve these results.
A high quality decoder helps too. Underbit's MAD is the best I've ever seen. The only windows implementation of underbit's MAD I have ever seen is a plugin for winamp.
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Old 12-15-07, 03:02 AM   #18
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http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/

There are Windows based applications using MAD but I didn't try one yet.

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IMO this is only the case when using a crappy encoder. When MP3 debuted, crappy encoders like Xing were the norm - which gave MP3 a bad reputation.

However, now we can encode MP3 and have quality the same as CD while saving a ton of space. Use the LAME MP3 encoder at 256kbps VBR and you won't be able to tell the difference between the MP3 and the CD. Same thing with WMA/AAC 192kbps VBR. I think MP3 is a fantastic tech just like other lossy techs like WMA, AAC, Dolby Digital/DD+, and DTS. They deliver the same quality (as proved by double blind tests) as uncompressed in a fraction of the space. The only catch is you need a high quality encoder to achieve these results.
On my system, I disagree. On an iPOD, I agree.
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On my system, I disagree. On an iPOD, I agree.
Yup... I converted some files to MP3 and played them on my PS3... sounds like crap compared to when the CD is played on the same exact set up... and that is with a 320kbps bitrate... it just doesn't match up.

But same exact encode on my Zune and it sounds perfect.
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A high quality decoder helps too. Underbit's MAD is the best I've ever seen. The only windows implementation of underbit's MAD I have ever seen is a plugin for winamp.
The AudioEnlightenment decoder that was used in the later Sonique versions before it was discontinued is the best I have ever heard.
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the Onkyo 605 is a good entry-level receiver ...

yes.

the 605 can accept Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreams as well as linear PCM (up to eight channels) via HDMI 1.3a.
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