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Old 01-06-08, 05:02 PM   #1
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Default First real Blu-ray player announced, Panasonic DMP-BD50

Every BD player made to date is outdated and does not support the full capabilities of the format itself. Panasonic announced their 1st BDLive ( Profile 2.0 ) player today. It decodes 100% of all formats internally, and can pass these via PCM over HDMI 1.1 or its analog 7.1 outputs. This seems to be a more capable BD player than the new Denon, but of course does not have the Realta chip in it for unmatched SD DVD playback.

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BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER DMP-BD50 FACT SHEET

BD-Live

The DMP-BD50's Ethernet terminal is a gateway for Internet connection, which paves the way to an entirely new form of movie-plus-Internet entertainment. In the future, BD-Live users will be able to participate in quizzes and challenge each other to interactive games that are linked to bonus movie content on BD discs. BD-Live also supports other interactive functions, such as Picture-in-Picture and Audio Mixing.

Interactive Functions

Picture-In-Picture

With Picture-in-Picture, a small sub-window is displayed over the main image. There are four examples of Picture-in-Picture modes, each offering distinct functions. They include Enhanced Commentary, Backstage Pass Function, Peek Behind The Animation and Audio Mixing.

Enhanced Commentary*

BD media goes considerably beyond the kind of audio commentary provided in many DVD movies, such as a director discussing the film. Enhanced Commentary makes it possible, for example, for the director or actors to appear in the sub-window (as if they are standing in front of the screen) and point to actors or equipment as they make their comments.

Backstage Pass Function*

This lets you access additional information provided about people, places or things in a BD movie. Use the remote control to select an element highlighted on the screen, and a sub-window opens with the information. For example, there could be notes about the clothing or accessories an actor is wearing or the restaurant in which a scene is set.

Peek Behind The Animation*

While playing back a movie with dubbed-in voices – for example, a feature-length animation – this feature lets you watch in a sub-window as the actors read their parts. You can see the actors' gestures and expressions as they speak, giving you an inside look at a whole facet of moviemaking you've never seen before.

Audio Mixing*

The Audio Mixing function lets you choose which soundtrack to listen to: the one from the content playing in the main window, the one from the sub-window, or both at the same time. The sub-window soundtrack can also be reproduced in 5.1-channel surround sound.

*Depending upon program contents.

Other BD-Live Possibilities

The future is expected to bring a host of imaginative new features. For example, the DMP-BD50 will be able to connect directly to the Internet and download additional content from Websites to an SD Memory Card for more viewing and playing enjoyment.

HIGH-DEFINITION PICTURE AND SOUND QUALITY

UniPhier®
Combining a PHL Reference Chroma Processor with advanced P4HD imaging technology, Uniphier, the Precise Digital Video processor reproduces crisp, natural colors that are extremely faithful to the original movie. The beautiful images are complemented by an exceptionally pure, accurate sound achieved through Audio Re-master and other leading-edge audio technologies. Uniphier reflects the advanced encoding and authoring technologies developed by Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory (PHL) in collaboration with film industry professionals. With Uniphier at its heart, the DMP-BD50 provides a level of image and sound quality that meets Hollywood's stringent demands – so you experience movies just the way they were meant to be experienced.

Precise Digital Video
PHL Reference Chroma Processor
The PHL Reference Chroma Processor up-samples (4:2:0 to 4:2:2) the color information in decoded video signals. Using proprietary Panasonic technology, this innovative circuit faithfully reproduces the fine details and nuances of Blu-ray video streams that have been recorded with high quality image compression system. It generates images with all the clarity and depth that BD-Video movies have to offer.

P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
To get the best HD images from a BD-Video disc, you need a player that renders high-quality progressive images, expresses motion smoothly, and draws sharp diagonal lines. The DMP-BD50's P4HD processes more than 15 billion pixels per second and applies the optimum processing to every pixel in the video data on the disc. The result is images with exceptional resolution.

Deep Color*
The DMP-BD50's HDMI output is Deep Color compatible. While the earlier HDMI V.1.2 offers 8-bit, 256-step gradation on 4:4:4, HDMI V.1.3 enables video signals to be sent on 12-bit, 4,096-step gradation at any format. This helps the DMP-BD50 reproduce natural looking colors with smooth gradation and minimal color banding.
*An HDMI™ V.1.3 compatible TV is required.

1080/24p Playback The DMP-BD50 provides 1080/24p output (via HDMI) for Blu-ray titles and DVD titles. It reproduces movie images from a Blu-ray Disc in their original 24p form, with no need for conversion.

HD Audio Format Decoding and Output The DMP-BD50 is equipped with decoders for the high-quality, lossless Dolby® TrueHD and DDTS-HD Master Audio™ audio formats. These formats theoretically contain the information to reproduce original sound sources in their entirety. Connection to an AV amplifier with 7.1-channel input capability enables sound quality on the level of a studio master system.

Audio Re-master for All Media
The DMP-BD50's Audio Re-master function compensates for data lost in the compression process used in BD and DVD recording. This helps create a fuller, richer sound that is extremely faithful to the original. It also brings re-mastering to the Blu-ray Disc for the first time ever.

HD Networking with SD Memory Card
The DMP-BD50 comes equipped with a slot for SD Memory Cards. Just take the SD Memory Card from your HD camcorder or digital still camera, and you're ready to view high resolution photos and motion images on your TV.

Linking with an HD Camcorder
The DMP-BD50 can play back AVCHD-format images shot with an HD camcorder, such as the Panasonic HDC-SD9. Images recorded onto the camcorder's SD Memory Card are output directly from the DMP-BD50's HDMI terminal in their original, high-quality 1920 x 1080 resolution. The DMP-BD50 also provides an AVCHD Direct Navigator function that makes it easy to search for particular scenes.

Linking with a Digital Camera The DMP-BD50 can play back JPEG still images on an SD Memory Card, such as those recorded with a Lumix FZ3 digital camera. The DMP-BD50 can output the images to 1920 x 1080 resolution – ideal for a full-HD TV – and output them via the HDMI terminal*. Using the Slideshow playback feature, you can play a music CD at the same time you're showing the photos, so viewers enjoy both beautiful images and their favorite music.

VIERA LinkTM
Seamless GUI
You Can Control Your Blu-ray Disc™ Player with the TV Remote Control* When the TV is on, the VIERA Link function lets you switch to home theater mode using just the Panasonic VIERA TV's remote control unit. Simply press the VIERA Link button on the TV's remote control and select "BD Player" on the VIERA Link Menu screen. The BD player's menu will display on the TV screen, and you can begin playback of a Blu-ray Disc or select from the Blu-ray disc
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Old 01-06-08, 05:09 PM   #2
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This player should cost no more than $500. That's about it's worth. We'll see though, no word on pricing. I will upgrade to it from my BD30.
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Old 01-06-08, 05:35 PM   #3
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all players are real BD player for the average consumer. Not many ppl care to play internet games on their players. Many justs want to watch a movie.
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all players are real BD player for the average consumer. Not many ppl care to play internet games on their players. Many justs want to watch a movie.
Many "justs" want to have the sound that is supported per the back of the box.

Many "justs" want BD-Java to work properly.

Many "justs" want to have BD's with the same functionality that HD DVD had in April 2006. See 300.

Many know that "playing Internet games" is only a small part of what BD-Live brings.

It amazes me how little "Blu-ray fans" know about Blu-ray. I cannot believe you defend and support the absolute laziness of the CE manufacturers when it comes to the players.
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Old 01-06-08, 05:52 PM   #5
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Many "justs" want to have the sound that is supported per the back of the box.

Many "justs" want BD-Java to work properly.

Many "justs" want to have BD's with the same functionality that HD DVD had in April 2006. See 300.

Many know that "playing Internet games" is only a small part of what BD-Live brings.

It amazes me how little "Blu-ray fans" know about Blu-ray. I cannot believe you defend and support the absolute laziness of the CE manufacturers when it comes to the players.
I'm not defending know one I'm just keeping it real by saying the average consumer will not care about any of those features.
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Old 01-06-08, 11:01 PM   #6
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Many "justs" want to have the sound that is supported per the back of the box.

Many "justs" want BD-Java to work properly.

Many "justs" want to have BD's with the same functionality that HD DVD had in April 2006. See 300.

Many know that "playing Internet games" is only a small part of what BD-Live brings.

It amazes me how little "Blu-ray fans" know about Blu-ray. I cannot believe you defend and support the absolute laziness of the CE manufacturers when it comes to the players.

1) HD DVD does not decode DTS HD MA or HR any differently from the PS3.
2) BD-J works fine on every PS3, all several million of them. Plus, your Panasonic'll do it. A large percentage of BD players became BD 1.1 ready the instant that patch went up. Can a BD 2.0 patch be far behind?
3) Many just want HD DVD to push lossless audio and 1080p video as bottom-line features that cannot and will not be removed to make for cheaper players. The HDA1 launched without TrueHD 5.1 and only added it in later, thus ensuring the entire spec requires only TrueHD 2.0. Since HD DVD doesn't have the space to provide LPCM (the only lossless audio 5.1 every player has to support), HD DVD discs have a larger percentage of non-lossless audio than Blu-ray. Every major release on BD (Live Free or Die Hard, Spiderman 3, POTC3) all came with lossless audio. Transformers, on HD DVD, was given a lossy DD+ because they just didn't have the room for the lossless PLUS the backup DD+ stream AND the features.

So you decide that advanced features for PiP (which I just watched on RE: Extinction btw, totally overrated as features) are important whereas I think a real focus on lossless audio is more important.

Stop being so rednosed. Both formats came out incomplete. HD DVD was still struggling to get their disc space up to the same standards as BD when WB finally saw that BD had finished first. And then they rolled on over to the Blu-camp and left Toshiba crying into the wind.

BD 1.1 is complete and BD 2.0 will be soon. Meanwhile, TL51 isn't even on a manufacturing plant. When both standards come out incomplete and you only point out the incomplete quality of one, I think that makes you... biased.

I suggest you get used to your BD player because I think we can safely assume by this time next year... HD DVD will be a distant memory and Toshiba will be proudly announcing its next generation Blu-ray device.
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Once again Cain comes out of the woodwork with a clueless post. BDLive is done NOW, just no manufacturer has put it in until Panasonic. Only the PS3 can be upgraded to it, all other SAL's are SOL as they have no Ethernet port.

Transformers had no lossless track because Paramount chose not to include one, they way they did on NEARLY ALL OF THEIR BD'S. You are so freaking clueless. Quit posting random BS. It had nothing to do with space. If you had a brain, you'd know about Troy DC which is a THREE HOUR MOVIE and included DOLBY TRUE HD on HD DVD. Transformers is shorter. God damn man..... you also don't even seem to know Transformers HD DVD is a ****ING TWO DISC SET. The special features are on an entirely DIFFERENT DISC therefore have nothing to do with why there is no lossless track on the disc. You just exposed a great deal of ignorance. Additionally, there are not "2 tracks" for THD and DD+. damn....

The POS3 is not even a candidate for a BD player for me and never has been. You seem VERY uninformed about the craptastic standalones with profile 1.0, COMPLETELY UNABLE TO BE UPGRADED DUE TO NON PRESENT HARDWARE. You also don't realize the PS3 WILL NEVER BE ABLE to bitstream HD audio, only decode it if you are lucky, due to the HDMI chip it uses. Read up sometime. Good luck praying for DTSMA.

While you do, I'll have the player this thread is about, which you derailed, which is a 100% superior BD player compared to everything out there including the POS3.

You say lossless audio is important? You're screwed then because your POS3 cannot decode DTSMA or bitsteam ANYTHING. This thread is about the new BD50, the 1st REAL BD PLAYER. The PS3 is a toy, and craptastic player due to the fact it cannot support what 100% of the discs have.

This thead had nothing to do with HD DVD so take your PS3 bias to the console forum newb. My thread is about the new Panasonic, the first actual BD player that supports the specs of BD. You're into lossless audio? You bought the wrong player. It's too bad PS3 owners get so damn butt hurt when the deficiencies of PS3 BD playback are cited.

I am very sorry you need to justify your PS3 purchase and rant about HD DVD in a thread about the new Panasonic BD50.
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Some stuff on the worldwide site:

http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/blu-ray/dmp-bd50/
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General build quality aside, how would that piece of hardware compare featurewise to say the Toshiba HD-EP30 or the EP35?

In a like for like sense with regards to interactivity for your average Joe who's half deaf but has 20 / 20 vision? lol

The price still seems very steep to me.

The more I look into the potential future of HDM knowing the current limitations of BD, the less excited I get.
It's a total shambles tbh.
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General build quality aside, how would that piece of hardware compare featurewise to say the Toshiba HD-EP30 or the EP35?

In a like for like sense with regards to interactivity for your average Joe who's half deaf but has 20 / 20 vision? lol

The price still seems very steep to me.

The more I look into the potential future of HDM knowing the current limitations of BD, the less excited I get.
It's a total shambles tbh.
I was wondering the same thing...,..
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BD-Live ( Profile 2.0 ) should bring similar interactivity we've had with HD DVD since launch. It took them 2 years, but maybe they're almost there.

Problem is, 800+ titles will already be out that have no such functionality. There will be a multitude of BD's with Profile 1, 1.1, and 2.0 features. I am sure we'll hear of yet ANOTHER profile eventually. It's a lot like HDMI. There is no end in sight.
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It is funny what HD DVD gives you for $499, less than the price of this new Panasonic:

SO ReonVX HQV processor
1080pee24
Full bitstreaming of all formats including DTSMA
Near full decoding of all formats excluding DTSMA
Full interactivity

It's been out a year. This Panasonic player is 4 or 5 months off and still lacks an HQV processor etc.
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