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Old 04-09-08, 11:34 AM   #25
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Default Re: Petition : Please release the source code for legacy nvidia cards

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Nvidia should OSS legacy card support! Please do it! There's no reason NOT to do it!
right, there is no single reason, there are several.

Most of them have allready been mentioned in this thread,
about intellectual property, OpenGL implementation and such.

If you read the thread again without a blindfold on you should find the lines I am talking about.

I would love to see a good open source driver, but looking at the ati open source ones
I prefer a good closed source driver over a crappy OSS one.

As I already said in this forum: there is no auto benefit in opening the drivers.
Writing hardware, especially GPU, drivers is really hard. Even the intel open source drivers are mainly coded by Xorg people paid by intel.

If you have a look at the ati OSS driver developer list:
again, most people get a monthly paycheck for doing this.

So trying to force nvidia doesn't help at all, writing with a bigger font does neither,
same goes for comparing nvidia to microsoft with the ridiculous statement that they don't care for customers.

And having a look over the last 20 threads or so
about 70% of the problems are layer 8 related,
15% more for 3rd party hard- or software,
rest is nvidia and usually gets fixed.

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Old 04-09-08, 11:53 AM   #26
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Do you really believe nouveau will offer anything compareable to the binary nvidia drivers anytime soon (next 3-5 years)?
I do so...

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The have even problems with 2D, where my NV18 is able to do 1,5mio subpixel-aa'ed glyphs per second with the binary drivers, and 80.000 with nouveau.
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Think about it this way...

Two years ago at FOSDEM they had someone talking about "creating a nvidia driver by reverse engineering".

They knew nothing about the internals of the cards, the nv driver was nearly useless... they even had to create their own reverse engineering tools.

Last year at FOSDEM they were really proud that they had glxgears running on a card... doing this with hardware as complex as a graphics card is DAMN difficult.

This year at FOSDEM they had RANDR1.2 running (autom. detection of monitors) and could play openarena... they have some kind of acceleration for nearly ALL nvidia cards, they can play video on many cards.

This year we will finally get TTM (a memory manager for graphics cards in the kernel) and Gladium3D, a framework for modern 3D drivers in linux.

I would not be surprised if the nv driver would be removed from X11 at the end of this year... and I think we will get a really fine driver at the next FOSDEM...

the 8xxx and 9xxx (the later one is more a marketing name) will be a problem (because they are a "break" in nvidias card designs, but the rest might be really nice.
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Old 04-09-08, 12:17 PM   #27
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I am using nouveau driver right now, and it performs great.

Get on board people.

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

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Old 04-09-08, 01:07 PM   #28
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I am using nouveau driver right now, and it performs great.

Get on board people.

http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/

Nick
Good for you. What graphics card do have? NV3x or NV4x based I bet. I wish I had one of those instead of my crappy G84
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Old 04-09-08, 01:10 PM   #29
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I went back to my FX5500, as latest 'official' drivers need a SSE enabled CPU, and also they do not build anyway with a git kernel.

Back to the future, as you might say.

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Old 04-09-08, 04:58 PM   #30
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I went back to my FX5500, as latest 'official' drivers need a SSE enabled CPU, and also they do not build anyway with a git kernel.

Back to the future, as you might say.

Nick
what did you have before? And surely you mean sse2, sse is positively ancient.
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Old 04-10-08, 10:03 AM   #31
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what did you have before? And surely you mean sse2, sse is positively ancient.
No SSE(1), well I have a Athlon-Thunderbird which does not support sse, and therefor I cannot use my Athlon-1.4ghz/FX5200 system to benchmark the new render improvements - which would quite great because I am currently in the progress of converting a mostly software-rendering driver project to XRender.
Well I understand the descision, but on the other side - why are runtime-switched such a problem?

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