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Old 06-16-08, 08:48 AM   #13
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Would it work on an nforce4 board with an AMD Athlon 64 3200 single core?
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Old 06-16-08, 09:01 AM   #14
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Would it work on an nforce4 board with an AMD Athlon 64 3200 single core?
Should. I don't see why it wouldn't.
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To check the specs of your system click on the Apple on the very left of the bar at the top of the screen and then select "about this mac" then click "more info"(I think it's more info?). You'll get a systeminfo screen and you can check to see if all you vram is being detected amond other things.
Thanks Brady. Totally forgot about that being in there.

nekro, give it a shot and let us know how it goes. I've seen a few YouTube vids of AMD PCs running OS X and they run quite nicely.
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So I left it on last night in OS X, and for some reason, it comes back up with a light blue screen and sticks. I guess I'm gonna have to do a little research into that one lol. No worries though, a good reboot fixes it.
i would get the same thing. the computer puts itself to sleep and has a hard time coming out of it.

disable disk shutoff, and enable only a screensaver and monitor shutoff. disable all the other hardware shutoff things and you should be fine
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i would get the same thing. the computer puts itself to sleep and has a hard time coming out of it.

disable disk shutoff, and enable only a screensaver and monitor shutoff. disable all the other hardware shutoff things and you should be fine
Awesome, will do. I enabled LogMeIn this morning so that I can work on it from work. Everybody here in the office was pretty amazed at the install.
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Old 06-16-08, 12:38 PM   #18
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if i grab the Kalyway_10.5.2_DVD_Intel_Amd what do i do? just burn it to a dvd and install like i would windows?

i want to dual boot though
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Old 06-16-08, 12:49 PM   #19
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install should be just like windows, you might need to add some drivers. dual boot i'm not sure
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look online for info on dual boot. i put the install on a separate hard drive. if you put it on your windows disk, it WILL overwrite the boot table and you will have problems lol (unless you add a boot manager or disable the overwrite somehow), or just fix your windows boot table heh.

plenty of tutorials online

also, the disc should be bootable. use the disk utility in the OSX install app, format your partition with the mac FS, and install it. before you install, make sure you customize your installation and select the video driver to use. for nvidia cards, it's just the nvinject_XXX driver, where XXX denotes the amount of memory your card has.

fwiw, it may be difficult with an AMD chip, and the easiest installs seem to be done with intel chipsets (naturally), especially the P35 chipset. also, you will need to add the drivers for your nvidia chipset (ie the network/sound/chipset drivers for nvidia boards).
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@six_storm, depending on the kernal version you're using there can be problems with sleep, shutdown and restart such that the computer hangs when shutting down or doesn't go into or come out of sleep. You can fix it by using a different kernal and if you just search around insanelymac I'm sure you'll find links to different kernals you can try. I'm using the vanilla kernal and restart and shutdown work fine most of the time. I turned sleep off and I just don't even bother with it.

@breathmetal, yes, you just install it like you would windows. There's a gui install and it's easy to follow. If you're using the same drive with multiple partitions, for example one for windows and one for OSX, then when you install OSX with windows pre-installed it will probabaly overwrite your MBR. You'll be able to boot into OSX but not into windows. If you want a proper dual boot using the same drive you're going to have to get easyBCD and edit the boot strings or use GRUB. I don't use either since I have 2 seperate drives and just use F12 at boot to switch which one is the bootable one.

There's not need to panic if OSX overwrites your MBR and you can't boot into windows. All you need to do is boot your windows CD (XP or Vista depending on your OS) and then repair your MBR. I've never tried booting from a different partition on the same drive and therefore I've never bothered with easyBCD or GRUB so you'll have to check the guides on the osx86 wiki or follow the installtion threads on dual booting at insanelymac. It sounds easy enough even though I think the most painless method is just F12 on a seperate drive.

Also, there's an entire thread devoted to nforce installation at insanelymac. As Vin said, the easiest installations are by far using intel motherboards with intel CPUs. I just popped the disc in, installed OSX, booted it up and then installed the latest NV and sound drivers. 30min and my system was fully functional. I don't know how far AMD/nforce development has come but when I tried it almost 2 years ago it was kindof a hassle. I'm sure there's been some pretty big improvements, but I'd say if you want to use OSX on non-apple hardware you really need to stick close to the official Mac specs meaning Intel/Intel.

As soon as I get home from school today I'm going to work on updating to 10.5.3 and then I'll do some benching with geekbench. Xbench is also good but the hard drives I'm using are kindof older-ish and they drag my xbench score waaaaaay down. I'll post xbench scores without the harddrive tests being run.

One more thing, In case you haven't heard. The next major OSX release (Snow Leopard) 10.5.6 will focus on performance and it's rumored that it will have GPU acceleration build right into the OS. MS may want to pay attention to that because if that's the case OSX is going to wipe the floor with Vista/Windows 7 in everything but games. What's more, if Intel really pulls off raytracing with it's Larabee card we may begin to see the end of Windows as the dominant PC gaming OS since raytracing is pretty much platform independent (i.e. you don't need DX to do it). Just food for thought.
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@six_storm, depending on the kernal version you're using there can be problems with sleep, shutdown and restart such that the computer hangs when shutting down or doesn't go into or come out of sleep. You can fix it by using a different kernal and if you just search around insanelymac I'm sure you'll find links to different kernals you can try. I'm using the vanilla kernal and restart and shutdown work fine most of the time. I turned sleep off and I just don't even bother with it.

One more thing, In case you haven't heard. The next major OSX release (Snow Leopard) 10.5.6 will focus on performance and it's rumored that it will have GPU acceleration build right into the OS. MS may want to pay attention to that because if that's the case OSX is going to wipe the floor with Vista/Windows 7 in everything but games. What's more, if Intel really pulls off raytracing with it's Larabee card we may begin to see the end of Windows as the dominant PC gaming OS since raytracing is pretty much platform independent (i.e. you don't need DX to do it). Just food for thought.
Yeah, I'm using the Vanilla kernel. It's not a big deal, especially since it's on a desktop and not a laptop. But I will be installing it on my new laptop when it arrives.

Wow, you've gone on and said something bad here in the Windows world that is NVNEWS. Nobody likes to hear that anything is better than Windows! So what does that really mean, "rumored that it will have GPU acceleration build right into the OS"?
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Yeah, I'm using the Vanilla kernel. It's not a big deal, especially since it's on a desktop and not a laptop. But I will be installing it on my new laptop when it arrives.

Wow, you've gone on and said something bad here in the Windows world that is NVNEWS. Nobody likes to hear that anything is better than Windows! So what does that really mean, "rumored that it will have GPU acceleration build right into the OS"?
The OS will have CUDA-like functionality built into it so that OS processes can be offloaded to the GPU. Note that this is different from an OS using the GPU to accelerate OS specific graphics functions like aero, for example. This would be more along the lines of the OS offloading MP3 encoding to the GPU or using the GPU to resize and transform an enormous PNG or something like that. All of these things can be done in Windows but with CUDA you need a seperate program to take advantage of them. It seems that Apple wants to leverage GPU performance for more than graphics calls natively in the OS.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Windows. Vista has worked great for me pretty much since release and I'm behind Vista x64 100% now. Apple just seems to be on something here. I mean, just look at all those little processes we've all got running in the background all the time. A lot of them might be good canditates to offload to an otherwise idle GPU which would free up the CPU to manage other things. Truthfully, Intel ought to be worried a lot with the way things are going in the GPU sector. With CUDA and Apple's desire to have GPU acceleration, the GPU will be used for the most computationally heavy tasks such as media encoding/decoding and game playing. With that being the case, what reason is there to have the highest end CPU? If the GPU is doing graphics and physics, what's left for the CPU but a AI and a few other odds and ends. You hardly need 4GHz quad core or even eight core for that. Be afraid intel. Be very afraid.
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The OS will have CUDA-like functionality built into it so that OS processes can be offloaded to the GPU. Note that this is different from an OS using the GPU to accelerate OS specific graphics functions like aero, for example. This would be more along the lines of the OS offloading MP3 encoding to the GPU or using the GPU to resize and transform an enormous PNG or something like that. All of these things can be done in Windows but with CUDA you need a seperate program to take advantage of them. It seems that Apple wants to leverage GPU performance for more than graphics calls natively in the OS.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Windows. Vista has worked great for me pretty much since release and I'm behind Vista x64 100% now. Apple just seems to be on something here. I mean, just look at all those little processes we've all got running in the background all the time. A lot of them might be good canditates to offload to an otherwise idle GPU which would free up the CPU to manage other things. Truthfully, Intel ought to be worried a lot with the way things are going in the GPU sector. With CUDA and Apple's desire to have GPU acceleration, the GPU will be used for the most computationally heavy tasks such as media encoding/decoding and game playing. With that being the case, what reason is there to have the highest end CPU?
Wow, that's pretty cool. I'd like to see what vision MS has for Windows 7, hopefully, they can make it a better, more optimized version of Vista.
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