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Old 06-16-08, 10:46 AM   #49
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And if they both offer similar performance, shouldn't offer similar price too?
I think the price is a little steep as well, but that's normal for any new product. If it settles around $550 I think the extra features on the card would justify the difference.
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Old 06-16-08, 10:49 AM   #50
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can it be that drivers arenīt all that great for these new Nvidia cards?

and since Ati chose tpo postpone their cards maybe this give Nvidia a chanse to polish and tweak their drivers to be better and once the HD4 line is out they no longer are so superior to Nvidia.

well thatīs my thoughts of this
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Old 06-16-08, 10:54 AM   #51
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Despite all that, it just isn't that much of an improvement over cards that are a year and a half old, where as the 8800GTX totally stomped the competition and all of those cards were only a few months old (7900GTX, 7950GX2 and 8800GTX were released within 8 months). In most games, one 8800GTX was faster than or roughly equal to 7950GX2 quad SLI, 7900GTX SLI or x1950xtx crossfire, and those were all high end cards.
Look at either the 9800GTX SLI or 8800GTX SLI versus a single GTX 280. It is basically in the same boat as the 8 series in that respect. The only reason why the 7950GX2 didn't cause the issue that the 9800GX2 is causing now is because it couldn't run AFR2. Most of the games didn't get any advantage with the extra processing power.

One other thing that I would like to note is a lot of the games that are being tested are fairly old. Other than AoC I don't think anything else I saw tested came out this year. I think the long term value of the GTX 280 is really going to show because of the memory advantages the card posseses.
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Old 06-16-08, 11:00 AM   #52
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Meh, not enough of an improvement for me to consider buying one.

The only current game that gives me any significant performance problems is Crysis and 10 more fps average is about a quarter of what is needed to smooth that game out.

Looks like I'm saving $600 this time around.
Some of you guys must really be suffering from short term memory. Have you already forgotten how much the 8800GTX has improved in performance after a few driver releases vs when it was brand new on its first set of drivers? I mean really.........if you do not realize that this card will only get better after a few driver releases and if you really think that this is as good as it will get then you are simply out of your mind.

This card will get better with time and I predict in a couple of months a lot of you guys will be shutting your mouths about some of the things you have said and most of you here complaining about it will end up with a GTX 260 or 280 in your gaming rig. LOL.

Also in all honesty both the GTX 260 and 280 are throwing out some really impressive numbers considering how early the drivers are. It will only get better people, learn to have patience as its way to early in the game to completely write off either card.
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Old 06-16-08, 11:02 AM   #53
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can it be that drivers arenīt all that great for these new Nvidia cards?
Bingo! someone who actually gets it. Give it time and it will get better.
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Look at either the 9800GTX SLI or 8800GTX SLI versus a single GTX 280. It is basically in the same boat as the 8 series in that respect. The only reason why the 7950GX2 didn't cause the issue that the 9800GX2 is causing now is because it couldn't run AFR2. Most of the games didn't get any advantage with the extra processing power.
I don't know... the 8800GTX was close to 100% improvement over the previous generation and was either faster or only slightly slower than older cards in SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=22

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=27

The 280 GTX is closer to 50% improvement over the 8800 and 9800 cards and is rarely faster than those cards in SLI.

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/...ashed/?page=11
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Some of you guys must really be suffering from short term memory. Have you already forgotten how much the 8800GTX has improved in performance after a few driver releases vs when it was brand new on its first set of drivers? I mean really.........if you do not realize that this card will only get better after a few driver releases and if you really think that this is as good as it will get then you are simply out of your mind.

This card will get better with time and I predict in a couple of months a lot of you guys will be shutting your mouths about some of the things you have said and most of you here complaining about it will end up with a GTX 260 or 280 in your gaming rig. LOL.

Also in all honesty both the GTX 260 and 280 are throwing out some really impressive numbers considering how early the drivers are. It will only get better people, learn to have patience as its way to early in the game to completely write off either card.
The 8800 GTX was significantly faster the day it was released.

Still, I'd be interested in seeing just how much faster this card is with current drivers compared to ones from back in late '06.
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pizzaguy, the 8800GTX SMASHED everything available at its launch on early drivers and later the stupidly overhyped HD2900XT also got SMASHED in due process. It was truly ahead of its time back then.

GTX 280 is well overpriced considering it's not outperforming the GX2 or a pair of 8800GT in SLI which is considerably cheaper than the 280. Even enthusiasts wants value for their money, and $650 for something that's slower than a pair of 8800GT SLI isn't very compelling unless Nvidia releases new drivers like today that can actually show the potential in the card.
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I don't know... the 8800GTX was close to 100% improvement over the previous generation and was either faster or only slightly slower than older cards in SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=22

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=27

The 280 GTX is closer to 50% improvement over the 8800 and 9800 cards and is rarely faster than those cards in SLI.

http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/...ashed/?page=11
Well we are splitting hairs but there is a significant impact depending upon the game and what settings are used to show the comparitive difference. Both of the 8800GTX tests used high res and AA which usually widens the gap between older and newer products. The GTX 280 test is no AA on a game that generally runs bad anyway.

If I pull a best case scenario like World in Conflict, with high resolutions and AA the GTX 280 really shows what it can do if it stretches its legs.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid...=expert&pid=13
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The 8800 GTX was significantly faster the day it was released.

Still, I'd be interested in seeing just how much faster this card is with current drivers compared to ones from back in late '06.
And you dont think that the GTX 280 or 260 is not significantly faster than any other single GPU currently available? The only game that really is not showing a big improvement right now is Crysis, other than that both the GTX 280 and 260 are killing the current single 8800 and 9800 series.

Either way you cant argue the fact that its way to early to tell what these new cards can really do.
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I just looked at more of the benchmarks that are out there and the 280 is ridiculously fast in some games... but like I said before, the only game I can think of that desperately needs more performance is Crysis, and the 280 just doesn't do all that much there.

And it doesn't seem like an engine limitation because older cards in SLI are overtaking the 280 easily in those benchmarks.
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pizzaguy, the 8800GTX SMASHED everything available at its launch on early drivers and later the stupidly overhyped HD2900XT also got SMASHED in due process. It was truly ahead of its time back then.
Thats true considering it was a brand new architecture and all and the GTX 280 and 260 are really just beefed up 8800 series hardware. However you cannot ignore the fact that in all the other test besides Crysis the Single GTX280 is killing any of the previous single 8800 or 9800 series cards on very very early drivers compared to very mature drivers on the 8800 and 9800 series.

Give it 2 months and the gap will widen even more.

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GTX 280 is well overpriced
I will not argue that fact but I really do not know what you guys expected.......I mean this is the same thing that happens with each new GPU release. No surprise to me at all.
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