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Old 06-16-08, 11:09 PM   #109
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Not doing so good in Crysis except for the DH review.
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Old 06-16-08, 11:22 PM   #110
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Yup, that was the biggest difference I noti, honostly, the difference I cannot explain in FPS or graphs, overall the GTX 280's just feel much smoother.
Actually you can explain it with graphs. Take a look at [H]OCP's review where they show the huge fluctuations in the framerate of the 9800 GX2 card (and SLI and Crossfire systems in general). The amazing thing is how consistent and stable are the framerates on the GTX 280 and GTX 260 throughout the game.

Most reviews which claimed the 9800 GX2 is faster than the new GTX 280/260 cards only looked at average framerates, not at minimum framerates and not at lack of fluctuation in framerate during gameplay. Also, very few reviews looked at 8xAA or 16xAA CSAA.

Even the guys at Anandtech got it wrong. But [H]OCP, NV News, Rage3d (Chris Ray's review), PC Perspective, and some other places got it right. The GTX 280 and GTX 260 are definitely a nice improvement over the 9800 GX2 and the rest of the bunch in terms of real world performance/power consumption.

NVIDIA marketing did not do a good job this time. They missed out on two key opportunities:

1) They should have instructed reviewers to focus on smooth gameplay, consistency of framerates, and image quality (through 8xAA or 16xAA CSAA) compared to the current cards on the market. If NVIDIA lets reviewers go unchecked and test for pure framerate with no regards to smooth gameplay and high levels of AA, they are going to get hammered in many benchmarks against other dual-GPU solutions (from both NV and AMD).

2) They should never have priced GTX 280 at $649 with GTX 260 at $399 to create such a huge gap in price/performance ratio between the two cards. 60% more money for 10-20% more performance doesn't make a whole lot of sense. This made the GTX 280 look like a really poor value in reviews. The more sensible thing would be $429 for GTX 260, and $569 for the GTX 280. This way the GTX 260 is close enough to HD 4870 to be a competitor in price/performance ratio, and the GTX 280 is close enough in price to the GTX 260 to be a viable higher performance alternative without breaking the bank and without being a very poor value in comparison. And to generate the highest profit margins, it is always beneficial to push the most expensive and highest margin products. So discouraging people to buy the GTX 280 by creating such a big pricing differential between the 260 and 280 only hurts profit margins.
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Old 06-16-08, 11:29 PM   #111
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Not doing so good in Crysis except for the DH review.
Well, what we have to see here is the whole picture I believe. If we look at this from a performance improvement standpoint, the GTX 280 offers 60-80% improvements (sometimes more) over last generation's preferred supercard, the 8800GTX. We've had new cards that offered much less over the last few years (7800GTX -> 7900GTX, 1900XT -> 2900XT) or even offered less performance in some situations (8800GTX -> 9800GTX, 2900XT -> HD3870). Strictly speaking, the jump offered here is massive. But, this doesn't have much of an impact due to multi-GPU/card solutions. If there were only single cards now in the market, we'd all be very impressed right now. But Nvidia has already released the 9800GX2, which under certain conditions, outperforms the GTX 280.

In conclusion, if Nvidia decide to slap 2 GTX 280s on one PCB or 2 together at one point, then Nvidia's next single card will receive the same response. Because now we have the new single cards trying to improve on the last generation's single cards AND the last generations multi-cards as well. Not an easy task at all...
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Old 06-16-08, 11:35 PM   #112
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Hmm yeah i guess you have a point there. however i'm more biased towards Crysis performance .. Crysis @very high seems (for me at least) to be the "gauge" of the performance of any new GPU coming to market currently .. its one of the rare times where i dont check the whole review/benchmarks but rather focus on the game that matters to me the most. many might disagree with me on that though.

the way i see it : if the gfx card can play Crysis @VH smoothly then i'll be safe with any other upcoming big title (Alan Wake , Project Offset , FarCry2 ..) , if not then i have to worry.
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Old 06-16-08, 11:58 PM   #113
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I personally dont understand alot of the Crysis results on the web. In my experience. And my GTX 280/260 SLIPreview the 9800GX2 ran out of memory at post 1600x1200 with AA enabled which severely hampered its performance in Crysis. I wonder if some time demos dont tell the whole story or what their timedemos are actually doing. At very high you cant even turn on AA at 1920x1080 with the 9800GX2 without it dropping to 3 FPS.
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Old 06-17-08, 12:05 AM   #114
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I personally dont understand alot of the Crysis results on the web. In my experience. And my GTX 280/260 SLIPreview the 9800GX2 ran out of memory at post 1600x1200 with AA enabled which severely hampered its performance in Crysis. I wonder if some time demos dont tell the whole story or what their timedemos are actually doing. At very high you cant even turn on AA at 1920x1080 with the 9800GX2 without it dropping to 3 FPS.
Unfortunately not all reviewers know what are they doing .. actually most of them!
i was surprised myself to see how some reviewers went on to tell how the 9800GX2 is "better" than the GTX280 disragarding all the advantages of the increased framebuffer size , SLI issues of the GX2 & many other points.
thanks for the note Chris.
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I personally dont understand alot of the Crysis results on the web. In my experience. And my GTX 280/260 SLIPreview the 9800GX2 ran out of memory at post 1600x1200 with AA enabled which severely hampered its performance in Crysis. I wonder if some time demos dont tell the whole story or what their timedemos are actually doing. At very high you cant even turn on AA at 1920x1080 with the 9800GX2 without it dropping to 3 FPS.
Chris, is that what is happening here to the GX2 vs the GTX 280 in WiC with AA @ 2560x?

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Quite fancy the GTX 260. Wonder if it will be a worthwhile upgrade from my 8800.
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Quite fancy the GTX 260. Wonder if it will be a worthwhile upgrade from my 8800.
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Hmm yeah i guess you have a point there. however i'm more biased towards Crysis performance .. Crysis @very high seems (for me at least) to be the "gauge" of the performance of any new GPU coming to market currently .. its one of the rare times where i dont check the whole review/benchmarks but rather focus on the game that matters to me the most. many might disagree with me on that though.

the way i see it : if the gfx card can play Crysis @VH smoothly then i'll be safe with any other upcoming big title (Alan Wake , Project Offset , FarCry2 ..) , if not then i have to worry.
The fact that Crysis is a bitch to run at very high in the first place doesn't help at all either. We're talking a jump 80-90% on VH Crysis, but because the performance was so low in the first place, it's still unplayable. It's like comparing 4 -> 8fps and 18 -> 36fps. Both are 100% improvements, but only one is playable...
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