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Old 06-23-08, 08:49 AM   #49
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QFT. These people that jump up and down for a 80% increase when it's still under ~40 FPS are just ignorant. I don't care what the increase percentage is if it's still not "playable" to me.
This doesn't hold true for very many other games but Crysis really is extremely playable at lower FPS. Maybe I'll capture some video off of my HDTV, but unless the counter is up you really can't tell the game is running in the 20's. I played the whole the game through at 1366x768 on my HDTV, VH, DX10 x64 and I was shocked to fine, when I enabled the fps counter, that my fps sometimes dipped down to 19fps. I just couldn't tell and it seemed just fine to me.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:15 AM   #50
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C'mon now,16 FPS still sucks and using the 60% value to make it sound better is just damage control.....By personal experience,anything below 30 FPS as an absolute minimum value sucks for gameplay smoothness,especially in fast paced games like first person shooters.
It is pointless to even try to have a discussion with you as you miss the point entirely time and time again.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:18 AM   #51
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QFT. These people that jump up and down for a 80% increase when it's still under ~40 FPS are just ignorant. I don't care what the increase percentage is if it's still not "playable" to me.
mailman2 just shut up already, your constant parading around talking about how much the GTX 280 sucks and everything else is getting old.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:19 AM   #52
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, when I enabled the fps counter, that my fps sometimes dipped down to 19fps. I just couldn't tell and it seemed just fine to me.
Come on now.............. 19fps and you could not tell? rotf.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:20 AM   #53
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thats because crysis uses motion blur between frames, thats why the low framerate is not noticeable.
This is complete bs. Sure the motion blur will help smooth things out to a certain point but I know I can at least tell when crysis is under 30fps much less 19fps. Some of you guys are really starting to crack me up.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:26 AM   #54
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Crysis needs minimum of 25-30FPS. Why? The game looks so natural and close to reality that it almost matches to what our eyes see when we watch dvd-movie where fps is bestween 24 to 30 depending of the format. Running 40-60 FPS this game is
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Old 06-23-08, 10:27 AM   #55
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It is pointless to even try to have a discussion with you as you miss the point entirely time and time again.

All i'm saying is that while it's better than with previous setups,it's still not good enough to boast that as an advantage that matters in real terms....

It's about objectivity in the end,so stating at that 6 FPS difference is a night and day difference when we're talking about a 10 versus 16 FPS minimum FPS value is deceptive at best.
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Old 06-23-08, 10:27 AM   #56
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It depends on the person, I would go to my buddy's house and he was playing COD2 on his older system the tearing and 35 to 45 FPS were driving me nuts. I have to have 60FPS min so a badass card 1680x1050 on a 22" is fine by me with all the settings jacked up like the pizzadiliveryguy stated.
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It depends on the person, I would go to my buddy's house and he was playing COD2 on his older system the tearing and 35 to 45 FPS were driving me nuts. I have to have 60FPS min so a badass card 1680x1050 on a 22" is fine by me with all the settings jacked up like the pizzadiliveryguy stated.


In that case,quite true since we're talking about FPS numbers above 30 FPS and from that point upwards,it really is down to personal preference if you want it higher or not.


But while a minimum of 10 FPS completely sucks for the 9800GX2,a 16FPS minimum at the same settings with the 280GTX only sucks slightly less,but it's still too low no matter what anyone's personal preferance may be,and that's my point.
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But while a minimum of 10 FPS completely sucks for the 9800GX2,a 16FPS minimum at the same settings with the 280GTX only sucks slightly less,but it's still too low no matter what anyone's personal preferance may be,and that's my point.


Why are you picking and choosing with this benchmark? all you talk about is the min fps but fail to realize that the GTX 280 is averaging 20 more FPS than the GX2.

The average is what counts the most since thats where you will spend the majority of your time and the last time I checked 27fps to 47fps is a pretty big difference.

Yes a min 16fps is nothing to write home about but there will be plenty of scenarios in other games to where the GX2 is falling below that critical 30fps point while the GTX 280 will be able to stay above it.

Bottom line the GTX 280 offers the smoothest gaming experience possible right now and thats what makes it the current best choice despite its high price.
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Well im finding crysis to be somewhat nearly as i wanted to be playable with two 280 GTX in SLI
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Why are you picking and choosing with this benchmark? all you talk about is the min fps but fail to realize that the GTX 280 is averaging 20 more FPS than the GX2.

The average is what counts the most since thats where you will spend the majority of your time and the last time I checked 27fps to 47fps is a pretty big difference.

Yes a min 16fps is nothing to write home about but there will be plenty of scenarios in other games to where the GX2 is falling below that critical 30fps point while the GTX 280 will be able to stay above it.

Bottom line the GTX 280 offers the smoothest gaming experience possible right now and thats what makes it the current best choice despite its high price.

Wich is why i posted that Hard OCP review that shows minimum frame rates across multiple games,and it all cases,every single one of them,it shows the GTX280 dipping in the mid twenties and even mid teens in all of them....some of the SLI setups are doing better in terms of minimum FPS,sometimes staying above 30 FPS.


Even so,the site declared the card as the fastest single GPU out there,but even though it is a single GPU,avoids the variable performance scaling issues with multi GPU's,and potential micro stuttering and having to worry with driver profiles for SLI operation,it's 1.4 billion transistors,80 texture units,512 bit memory bus and 140 GB of memory bandwith and 32 ROPS can't avoid hitting those low peaks.


And when you also consider that the 9800GTX+ that has just been released,can be overclocked to well over 800 Mhz on the GPU,and the memory can clock up to 2.4 Ghz(1.2 Ghz actual),and an SLI setup like that costs just over 400$ and can be quite a lot faster than a 9800GX2 or the GTX280 in several games,the decision is very hard to make.


Me personally,i'd check for performance results on specific games i play most often between those 2 particular setups and go from there,as it wouldn't be a GTX280 win by default if i owned an SLI capable motherboard,but that's just me.
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