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Old 07-24-08, 12:51 PM   #61
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they should at least give an easier option to set the fan speed.

GTX 260/280 runs around 40c at idle, there is no reason why 4870 cards should run at 80c idle. I know it can be changed, but average consumer will not be playing with XML files.

both cards produce same amount of heat while gaming, but why should it heat up the entire computer when you are browsing the web?

before you start calling me a fanboy again, i voted for 4870 in this thread.
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Old 07-24-08, 01:14 PM   #62
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Ok I see so you set yourself a profile that loads up with the PC.

But turning to the manual mode from automatic -- doesn't that post a threat that the fan won't spin faster than the value you set (let's say 35%) if the card should get hotter?
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Old 07-24-08, 01:46 PM   #63
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Ok I see so you set yourself a profile that loads up with the PC.

But turning to the manual mode from automatic -- doesn't that post a threat that the fan won't spin faster than the value you set (let's say 35%) if the card should get hotter?
Not sure why you are so concerned about this. The 8800GTX runs almost as hot, but dumps hot air into the system with the vents on the card ahead of the back plate. So the 4870 may have higher radiant heat, but it exhausts all hot air out of the case.

Let it do its thing. If you are really worried, get a Visiontek with lifetime warranty and an extra system fan like an Antec Spot Cool to guide air through your case. That would be better noise wise and let the 4870 do its thing.
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Old 07-24-08, 01:58 PM   #64
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I have a 280GTX as well as my 4870 crossfire setup, and it doesn't generate nearly as much heat in idle as a 4870. It's not just that it's fan runs slow, it just plain generates a lot of of heat in idle, hence the reason they heat a room so much in idle. A 280GTX throttles itself down to 300Mhz and the ram down to 200Mhz when idle and drops the voltage, that is why the idle power consumption of the 280GTX is so much lower than the 4870 idle. This is also why it generates less heat than a 4870 when idle.

Under load the 280GTX easily generates as much heat as the 4870. The problem with the 4870 is that it is constantly generating a ton of heat even when just sitting on the desktop. ATi needs to get PowerPlay working.
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Old 07-24-08, 02:06 PM   #65
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I have a 280GTX as well as my 4870 crossfire setup, and it doesn't generate nearly as much heat in idle as a 4870. It's not just that it's fan runs slow, it just plain generates a lot of of heat in idle, hence the reason they heat a room so much in idle. A 280GTX throttles itself down to 300Mhz and the ram down to 200Mhz when idle and drops the voltage, that is why the idle power consumption of the 280GTX is so much lower than the 4870 idle. This is also why it generates less heat than a 4870 when idle.

Under load the 280GTX easily generates as much heat as the 4870. The problem with the 4870 is that it is constantly generating a ton of heat even when just sitting on the desktop. ATi needs to get PowerPlay working.

Yes but what about when you're in Vista and with Aero ON?


I was thinking of adding this to my system if I get 4870 --- http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/produc...2414/A2414.asp
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Old 07-24-08, 02:18 PM   #66
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I do run vista with Aero on. Aero is not very graphically intensive, heck even Intel GMA can run aero. When a 280GTX is on the Aero desktop it runs at 300core and 200mem, with the lower voltages. A 280GTX has not trouble handling aero at 300Mhz, it can probably even play games better than most a lot of graphics cards at that speed.

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I was thinking of adding this to my system if I get 4870 --- http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/produc...2414/A2414.asp
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before you start calling me a fanboy again, i voted for 4870 in this thread.
Get your facts straight, pal. I never called you a "fanboy" although you've called me one on more than one occasion.
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Ok I see so you set yourself a profile that loads up with the PC.

But turning to the manual mode from automatic -- doesn't that post a threat that the fan won't spin faster than the value you set (let's say 35%) if the card should get hotter?
With 24xAA set on Oblivion and highest settings, with my fans spinning at 40% on both cards, they never hit 60C. They're not in danger by setting a hard-stop at 40%.

Just monitor your temps, and you'll be fine. All you have to do is bring your ATI Overdrive up quickly after exiting a game to check them.
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The last ATI card I had before this one was 1900XT. I don't remember the idle temp but that card sure was noise and ATI got lots off criticism for that. For me it was the first card I decided to replace the cooler.
This time ATI decided to go the quiet way and some people still not happy.
Most people report the idle temp on HD 4870 at about 80C my is 74C a lot depends on the room temp and the case airflow.
Now I'm sure the idle temp is no problem for 24/7 2D, otherwise ATI would go for slightly higher fan speed at idle.
It's not like the HD 4870 has any overheating problem like many GTX 280 owners experienced.

Anyway the Profile Fan-Control Hack works perfectly for people who prefer lower idle temp.
Probably ATI in the next driver should include few fan settings options in CCC, to stop all this unwarranted worries and criticism.

My vote still goes for HD4870
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Ok one more question I have to ask.


If we look at the 9800 GTX it also had 512 Mb of memory and only 265 - bit bus and this is where the real downfall of the card compared to 8800 GTX was. I mean there was no reason to go from 8800 GTX to 9800 GTX because it was a step back.


Now ATI is doing the same but a lot more efficent - now I'm not so into all this high tech stuff so I'm asking how can they achive this (because of DDR 5)?

The more I'm looking at the results the more 260 GTX is gaining - he he this is getting very interesting.

First I have to say I really was / am for the 4870 but now I'm also thinking of 260 GTX.


Can someone tell me if there are any problems with the 260 GTX (temps, any other) and do both of these cards have ventilation through the back of the case or is any card designed similar to 8800 GTX's design where hot air blew inside the case?


Thx for all your patiance.
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should I get a 4870 or should I wait for Dx11card???
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Yes the GDDR5 makes a difference, the memory clock data rate is multiplied by 4 on GDDR5, on GDDR3 it's multiplied by 2.
So even with lower Memory Bus Width the HD 4870 has more Memory Bandwidth than the GTX 260.
On many reviews the card was run on resolution up to 2560x1600 and nobody reported the 512 Mb WRAM was a bottleneck.
Read more at AnandTech

PS My choice is still HD 4870
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