EA exec warns against suing file-sharers

Vik1dk · 08-22-08, 02:31 PM

Isnt that a new tune from EA..

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...g-file-sharers

CaptNKILL · 08-22-08, 02:42 PM

Wow...

EA just keeps pulling out more surprises.

They may actually dig their reputation out of the crapper if they keep up with stuff like this.

I completely agree that suing 0.01% of the pirates for ludicrous amounts of money will do absolutely NO good for the industry.

Vanzagar · 08-22-08, 03:07 PM

I don't even understand how they track these people down, how can they be sure a certain IP address is downloading their content, then beyond that how can you be sure which person it is that lives in a house, could be five guys sharing a computer in a house? Does this stuff actually make it to court, and if so, I wonder how much money they are fined, the cost of the game or some huge amount like a half a mil....

Mr.Schme · 08-22-08, 03:46 PM

scare tactic

LurkerLito · 08-22-08, 03:55 PM

They are right to not sue really. All it will do is make the average guy more curious as to how and where to get it for free and it'll all go down hill after that. It wasn't till Metallica started suing their fans and the pirates that Napster went from popular service for the geeks and semi-geeks to anyone with a net connection grabbing tunes. I can see the same thing happening here.

Kaguya · 08-22-08, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanzagar

I don't even understand how they track these people down, how can they be sure a certain IP address is downloading their content, then beyond that how can you be sure which person it is that lives in a house, could be five guys sharing a computer in a house? Does this stuff actually make it to court, and if so, I wonder how much money they are fined, the cost of the game or some huge amount like a half a mil....

They collect the IP addresses from those seeding torrent files, for example, then they subpoena the ISP for records on who was using that IP address at the time of the infringement. 99% of the time the ISP receives a complaint and either they contact the user to tell them to stop, or they do nothing.

CaptNKILL · 08-22-08, 04:21 PM

If I download a torrent I can see the IP address of anyone I'm connected to.

Its pretty easy to find someone this way assuming you have enough clout or legal power to get information out of the ISP.

Whoever has their name on the internet bill is the one who gets in trouble.

With so many unsecured networks out there these days, it just makes it even more difficult.

Son Goku · 08-22-08, 04:35 PM

In a manner of speaking; if things had gone the sueing route (outside the fact that many recipients can be in countries for which US courts have no legal jurisdiction, or power to coerce someone to appear); if things went such a strong arm tactic, some could design as "feature" clients which spoof an IP address while allowing an internal mapping (on an over-seas server in a country with no legal responsibility to appear to a US court) to deliver it to the right place. The logs could be routinely purged, and not archived for posterity.

The days I was taking network security. We had classmates, who for some class assignments had the idea of turning a class assignment into a spoofed telnet server, which looks legit to point of asking for username and password (it wasn't one, and no real login); and then just let people to a command prompt on any input, while logging whatever they typed to a text file for latter viewing.

Hell, it was the suites of Napster which resulted in things going to a more distributed and de-centralized approach. Almost proxy servicing the IPs/mapping them out, while spoofing fake ones to be displayed to clients/put in the download tracker would be sorta a next logical step to that. And if the mapping file is routinely purged, so old mapings don't persist in record...

shabby · 08-22-08, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaguya

They collect the IP addresses from those seeding torrent files, for example, then they subpoena the ISP for records on who was using that IP address at the time of the infringement. 99% of the time the ISP receives a complaint and either they contact the user to tell them to stop, or they do nothing.

And if ea takes the ip owner to court, how will they prove he did the actual downloading? Based on assumption?

tornadog · 08-22-08, 06:21 PM

I am on strike 2 from my ISP for using torrents. One more and they will disconnect my connection. But lately they have been lenient in the use, since I guess everybody is using it these days(legally or otherwise)

$n][pErMan · 08-22-08, 07:25 PM

I always have to reset my modem after like 12+ hours of torrent use... kind of annoying but easy to do

CaptNKILL · 08-22-08, 07:39 PM

What ISPs do you guys have?

Mine never gives me any problems.

08-22-08, 02:31 PM	#1
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08-22-08, 02:42 PM	#2
CaptNKILL CUBE Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: PA, USA Posts: 18,844	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers Wow... EA just keeps pulling out more surprises. They may actually dig their reputation out of the crapper if they keep up with stuff like this. I completely agree that suing 0.01% of the pirates for ludicrous amounts of money will do absolutely NO good for the industry. __________________ ---- Primary Rig ---- CoolerMaster 690 II Advance - Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 4.0Ghz + Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 6GB DDR2 @ 942Mhz 5-5-5-20 1.9v (2x1Gb Wintec AMPX PC2-8500 & 2x2Gb G.Skill PC2-6400) - EVGA Geforce GTX 470 @ 750/1500/1850 (1.050v) Sparkle Geforce GTS 250 1Gb Low-Profile (Physx) - Crucial RealSSD C300 64Gb SSD - Seagate 7200.12 500Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA ASUS VW266H 25.5" LCD - OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU - ASUS Xonar DX - Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Surround - Windows 7 Professional x64 ---- HTPC ---- Asus M3A78-EM 780G - AMD Athlon X2 5050e 45W @ 2.6Ghz - 2x2GB Kingston PC2-6400 DDR2 - Sparkle 350W PSU Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 250Gb SATA - Athenatech A100BB.350 MicroATX Desktop - Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic

08-22-08, 03:07 PM	#3
Vanzagar Bring me Amberlamps Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,167	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers I don't even understand how they track these people down, how can they be sure a certain IP address is downloading their content, then beyond that how can you be sure which person it is that lives in a house, could be five guys sharing a computer in a house? Does this stuff actually make it to court, and if so, I wonder how much money they are fined, the cost of the game or some huge amount like a half a mil....

08-22-08, 03:46 PM	#4
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08-22-08, 03:55 PM	#5
LurkerLito Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,550	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers They are right to not sue really. All it will do is make the average guy more curious as to how and where to get it for free and it'll all go down hill after that. It wasn't till Metallica started suing their fans and the pirates that Napster went from popular service for the geeks and semi-geeks to anyone with a net connection grabbing tunes. I can see the same thing happening here. __________________ Main PC: Asus P8Z77-V Deluxe ; Intel i7-3770k ; GSkill Ripjaws X Series 16GB DDR3 2133 (2x8GB) ; Seasonic X Series X-1050 PSU ; Corsair H100 ; EVGA GTX-670 ; Mushkin 240GB SSD system drive Old PC: ABIT IP35 Pro ; Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 ; Patriot 6GB (3x2GB) DDR2 800 RAM ; EVGA GTX480 SC ; Antec P190 Case ; EnzoTech Ultra120 CPU Cooler

08-22-08, 04:21 PM	#7
CaptNKILL CUBE Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: PA, USA Posts: 18,844	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers If I download a torrent I can see the IP address of anyone I'm connected to. Its pretty easy to find someone this way assuming you have enough clout or legal power to get information out of the ISP. Whoever has their name on the internet bill is the one who gets in trouble. With so many unsecured networks out there these days, it just makes it even more difficult. __________________ ---- Primary Rig ---- CoolerMaster 690 II Advance - Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 4.0Ghz + Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 6GB DDR2 @ 942Mhz 5-5-5-20 1.9v (2x1Gb Wintec AMPX PC2-8500 & 2x2Gb G.Skill PC2-6400) - EVGA Geforce GTX 470 @ 750/1500/1850 (1.050v) Sparkle Geforce GTS 250 1Gb Low-Profile (Physx) - Crucial RealSSD C300 64Gb SSD - Seagate 7200.12 500Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA ASUS VW266H 25.5" LCD - OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU - ASUS Xonar DX - Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Surround - Windows 7 Professional x64 ---- HTPC ---- Asus M3A78-EM 780G - AMD Athlon X2 5050e 45W @ 2.6Ghz - 2x2GB Kingston PC2-6400 DDR2 - Sparkle 350W PSU Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 250Gb SATA - Athenatech A100BB.350 MicroATX Desktop - Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic

08-22-08, 04:35 PM	#8
Son Goku Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: 439 East District, Mount Paozu Posts: 1,714	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers In a manner of speaking; if things had gone the sueing route (outside the fact that many recipients can be in countries for which US courts have no legal jurisdiction, or power to coerce someone to appear); if things went such a strong arm tactic, some could design as "feature" clients which spoof an IP address while allowing an internal mapping (on an over-seas server in a country with no legal responsibility to appear to a US court) to deliver it to the right place. The logs could be routinely purged, and not archived for posterity. The days I was taking network security. We had classmates, who for some class assignments had the idea of turning a class assignment into a spoofed telnet server, which looks legit to point of asking for username and password (it wasn't one, and no real login); and then just let people to a command prompt on any input, while logging whatever they typed to a text file for latter viewing. Hell, it was the suites of Napster which resulted in things going to a more distributed and de-centralized approach. Almost proxy servicing the IPs/mapping them out, while spoofing fake ones to be displayed to clients/put in the download tracker would be sorta a next logical step to that. And if the mapping file is routinely purged, so old mapings don't persist in record...

08-22-08, 06:21 PM	#10
tornadog Keeper of the Faith Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,446	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers I am on strike 2 from my ISP for using torrents. One more and they will disconnect my connection. But lately they have been lenient in the use, since I guess everybody is using it these days(legally or otherwise) __________________ i7 950 @ 4.2Ghz w/ Venomous-X, Asus Sabertooth x58, 8gb DDR3 GSkill 1600Mhz,MSI N670 PE, Win 7 Ult. x64, Samsung PN50C7000, Pioneer VSX 920-K, Polk Monitor 5.0 Speakers, Bic H100 Sub

08-22-08, 07:25 PM	#11
$n][pErMan GTX 285 SSC Goodness! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 3,719	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers I always have to reset my modem after like 12+ hours of torrent use... kind of annoying but easy to do __________________ Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 @ 3.51GHz (390 x 9 / 1.39v) \| ASUS P5B Deluxe/WiFi-AP LGA 775 Intel P965 (1236 BIOS) \| OCZ GOLD 4GB (2GB x 2) DDR2 PC2-8500 Dual Channel (4-4-4-12 780Mhz/1.95V 1:1 Ratio) \| EVGA GeForce GTX 285 SSC Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 (Currently @ 720MHz Core / 2750MHz Memory) \| Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS \| Zalman CNPS9700 LED Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler \| 5 Western Digital 500GB SATA II 7200RPM w/32MB Buffer \| Acer X241W 24in Widescreen LCD 1920 x 1200 32bit \| Samsung DVD-RW-DL 18x Burner w/ lightscribe\| SILVERSTONE OP650 ATX12V / EPS12V 650W Power Supply \| AOpen 5.1 Surround sound system \| Windows Vista Business 64-Bit 3dMarkVantage: P16103 3dMark06: 17606 SuperPi 1M: 14s 100% Orthos Stable!

08-22-08, 07:39 PM	#12
CaptNKILL CUBE Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: PA, USA Posts: 18,844	Re: EA exec warns against suing file-sharers What ISPs do you guys have? Mine never gives me any problems. __________________ ---- Primary Rig ---- CoolerMaster 690 II Advance - Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 4.0Ghz + Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 6GB DDR2 @ 942Mhz 5-5-5-20 1.9v (2x1Gb Wintec AMPX PC2-8500 & 2x2Gb G.Skill PC2-6400) - EVGA Geforce GTX 470 @ 750/1500/1850 (1.050v) Sparkle Geforce GTS 250 1Gb Low-Profile (Physx) - Crucial RealSSD C300 64Gb SSD - Seagate 7200.12 500Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA ASUS VW266H 25.5" LCD - OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU - ASUS Xonar DX - Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Surround - Windows 7 Professional x64 ---- HTPC ---- Asus M3A78-EM 780G - AMD Athlon X2 5050e 45W @ 2.6Ghz - 2x2GB Kingston PC2-6400 DDR2 - Sparkle 350W PSU Seagate 7200.10 320Gb SATA - Seagate 7200.10 250Gb SATA - Athenatech A100BB.350 MicroATX Desktop - Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic

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