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Old 01-10-09, 01:00 PM   #37
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If I haven't seen it first hand I honestly wouldn't believe it. I had alot of problems with the 9800GX2 stuttering, pausing (Assassin's Creed, GOW, RS Vegas 2), low min FPS. I vowed to never use one of these cards again since I got sucked in with the 7950GX2 and the 9800GX2. I went back to a single 8800GTX which was slower than the 9800GX2 but the gaming experience was 300 times better to me.

That said I won't ever use one of these cards again until Nvidia or ATI can put out some hard evidence that this has been addressed fully. Its funny how none of the reviews touched on this with any of the dual cards. But they go on about it's benchmarked performance. Showing me a high average framerate means nothing when to me it's unplayable with stuttering and pausing. I consider the on net reviews to be half the problem.

Let me just ask you this.. Why, if you had problems with the 9800GX2 was that never mentioned on Nvnews? I know you work for EVGA but being part of the solution is alot more genuine than being part of the problem. I remember seeing the pics of your rig with the GX2s and how fast it was in 3dmark, but as far as I can recall you never mentioned having issues with it when they launched? I'd just like to see some reviews actually address problems like this with dual cards and not just spit out generic benchmarks with numbers but alas why would they jeopardize their free meal for me.
Very good point. I cannot agree with you more. No offense to Chris but his 9800GX2 quad-SLI review on SLI Zone has NO mention whatsoever of micro-stuttering/low min FPS even though it was VERY apparent.There is no doubt that Chris himself encountered these during the course of reviewing the setup at that time, and yet he chose not to disclose these vital information. Only when other others reported these problems was I able to grasp that 9800GX2 is a bad card indeed.

Heavy emphasis on how good the latest card was, and yet very little mention of what the cons were clearly suggesting that the review was not comprehensive at all and hence biased writing only what the person sees 'fit'. After searching and reading about 9800GX2, I see about 99% of 9800GX2 owners were unpleasantly dissatisfied and vowed never to get a dual GPU card ever again.

Perhaps after spending 1k+ on a pair of graphics cards alone only to find out gaming experience was worse than having a single 8800GTX, 'they' decided not to divulge the issues of 9800GX2's since the setup certainly didn't justify the cost or the performance. It is absolutely unbelievable to see how these 'reviews' pay little attention to what plagued 9800GX2: microstuttering.

The only way to find out whether a card is 'good' or 'bad' is to either find out myself or wait 3-4 months until what others say. Since I have gone w/ the 1st option, I will definitely comment on microstuttering once I have my new rig built and tested starting with Crysis/Crysis Warhead.
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Old 01-10-09, 03:07 PM   #38
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Well it looks like the GTX 295 still experiences Micro Stutter.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...s_card/?page=3

I will be passing on this and enjoying my game experience with a single card still.

Oh God this sounds just like my 9800GX2 experience as well...

"In addition to this observation there is a input lag which is also connected to the function of the Alternate Frame Renderings (AFR). Dual GPU cards calculate a frame in advance (before it is displayed). Therefore the input lag becomes more annoying (like micro stuttering) if the frame rate drops. Quite logical actually, since at 30 fps a (lost) frame is more important than at 60 fps. This problem also depends on one's own preferences. "
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Old 01-10-09, 03:24 PM   #39
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If I haven't seen it first hand I honestly wouldn't believe it. I had alot of problems with the 9800GX2 stuttering, pausing (Assassin's Creed, GOW, RS Vegas 2), low min FPS. I vowed to never use one of these cards again since I got sucked in with the 7950GX2 and the 9800GX2. I went back to a single 8800GTX which was slower than the 9800GX2 but the gaming experience was 300 times better to me.

That said I won't ever use one of these cards again until Nvidia or ATI can put out some hard evidence that this has been addressed fully. Its funny how none of the reviews touched on this with any of the dual cards. But they go on about it's benchmarked performance. Showing me a high average framerate means nothing when to me it's unplayable with stuttering and pausing. I consider the on net reviews to be half the problem.

Let me just ask you this.. Why, if you had problems with the 9800GX2 was that never mentioned on Nvnews? I know you work for EVGA but being part of the solution is alot more genuine than being part of the problem. I remember seeing the pics of your rig with the GX2s and how fast it was in 3dmark, but as far as I can recall you never mentioned having issues with it when they launched? I'd just like to see some reviews actually address problems like this with dual cards and not just spit out generic benchmarks with numbers but alas why would they jeopardize their free meal for me.

Honestly, do you expect the eVGA salesman who sells everyone on how hot his rig is to tell people of problems with the hardware his employer's trying to peddle? I doubt they'd keep giving him the hardware if he started telling people about the problems he had (like the microstutter he mentioned above for hardware that was latest a long time ago). The purpose in his having the latest and greatest on an nvidia forum (perhaps THE nonofficial nvidia forum) is to sell hardware, not warn people off it...

I wouldn't expect to hear about problems until AFTER the hardware is out of date and long gone...

I'm sure the numbers being posted are fine though. For problem reports, you probably should look for other reviews from people who pay for their hardware and aren't paid by the people making the hardware.

Just to be safe.
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Old 01-10-09, 03:37 PM   #40
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Would love to some 2560x1600x4AA numbers
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Honestly, do you expect the eVGA salesman who sells everyone on how hot his rig is to tell people of problems with the hardware his employer's trying to peddle? I doubt they'd keep giving him the hardware if he started telling people about the problems he had (like the microstutter he mentioned above for hardware that was latest a long time ago). The purpose in his having the latest and greatest on an nvidia forum (perhaps THE nonofficial nvidia forum) is to sell hardware, not warn people off it...

I wouldn't expect to hear about problems until AFTER the hardware is out of date and long gone...

I'm sure the numbers being posted are fine though. For problem reports, you probably should look for other reviews from people who pay for their hardware and aren't paid by the people making the hardware.

Just to be safe.
I'm pretty sure he buys his own hardware...
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Old 01-10-09, 04:58 PM   #42
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I'm pretty sure he buys his own hardware...
Yes he does...I know Jacob very well, if there where issues with the hardware I know he would disclose them. I cant believe all the negativity in this thread, it just pathetic. I would trust Jacobs reviews over anyone's... this guy knows his sh*t.
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Yes he does...I know Jacob very well, if there where issues with the hardware I know he would disclose them. I cant believe all the negativity in this thread, it just pathetic. I would trust Jacobs reviews over anyone's... this guy knows his sh*t.

Well it's just funny how bad the 9800GX2s were and I didnt know it until I bought one and played with it myself. I'm sorry but imo everyone that reviewed a 9800GX2 FAILED! I would expect a GTX 295 to do the same, in fact that article above was the only mention of micro stutter and they confirmed it still exists. I'm glad you know and trust Jacob, but until I see a GTX 295 running first hand without micro stutter I'm going to assume it's still there. I don't trust anyone elses opinion anymore.
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Honestly, do you expect the eVGA salesman who sells everyone on how hot his rig is to tell people of problems with the hardware his employer's trying to peddle? I doubt they'd keep giving him the hardware if he started telling people about the problems he had (like the microstutter he mentioned above for hardware that was latest a long time ago). The purpose in his having the latest and greatest on an nvidia forum (perhaps THE nonofficial nvidia forum) is to sell hardware, not warn people off it...

I wouldn't expect to hear about problems until AFTER the hardware is out of date and long gone...

I'm sure the numbers being posted are fine though. For problem reports, you probably should look for other reviews from people who pay for their hardware and aren't paid by the people making the hardware.

Just to be safe.
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If I haven't seen it first hand I honestly wouldn't believe it. I had alot of problems with the 9800GX2 stuttering, pausing (Assassin's Creed, GOW, RS Vegas 2), low min FPS. I vowed to never use one of these cards again since I got sucked in with the 7950GX2 and the 9800GX2. I went back to a single 8800GTX which was slower than the 9800GX2 but the gaming experience was 300 times better to me.

That said I won't ever use one of these cards again until Nvidia or ATI can put out some hard evidence that this has been addressed fully. Its funny how none of the reviews touched on this with any of the dual cards. But they go on about it's benchmarked performance. Showing me a high average framerate means nothing when to me it's unplayable with stuttering and pausing. I consider the on net reviews to be half the problem.

Let me just ask you this.. Why, if you had problems with the 9800GX2 was that never mentioned on Nvnews? I know you work for EVGA but being part of the solution is alot more genuine than being part of the problem. I remember seeing the pics of your rig with the GX2s and how fast it was in 3dmark, but as far as I can recall you never mentioned having issues with it when they launched? I'd just like to see some reviews actually address problems like this with dual cards and not just spit out generic benchmarks with numbers but alas why would they jeopardize their free meal for me.
To be honest, I only experienced MS in a limited amount of apps on the 9800GX2. (WiC being one) THis happened only with high levels of AA/AF and was so limited I didn't see it at first. TO me it was not so much MS, but more just somewhat lower FPS at specific points.

If I limited the amount of AA/AF, I did not see any MS, I believe that MS has 100% to do with the framebuffer size.
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Honestly, do you expect the eVGA salesman who sells everyone on how hot his rig is to tell people of problems with the hardware his employer's trying to peddle? I doubt they'd keep giving him the hardware if he started telling people about the problems he had (like the microstutter he mentioned above for hardware that was latest a long time ago). The purpose in his having the latest and greatest on an nvidia forum (perhaps THE nonofficial nvidia forum) is to sell hardware, not warn people off it...

I wouldn't expect to hear about problems until AFTER the hardware is out of date and long gone...

I'm sure the numbers being posted are fine though. For problem reports, you probably should look for other reviews from people who pay for their hardware and aren't paid by the people making the hardware.

Just to be safe.
You obviously haven't been around very long nor do you know jakup.

TBH, your post is really rather ignorant and before you go making such statements about valued members of any forum you really should make sure you're telling the truth.

In this case you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
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Jakup's just a nerd/hardware-nVidia enthusiast like the rest of us. I have been a member of these forums for a long time, and I always look for his updates to his rig whenever new nVidia hardware is released.

It's like porn for a nerd... and for me, a good idea what my rig will look like in a month once prices stabilize.

(I'm actually going to hold off on these cards as my SLi'd 280's are working great for me!)

Thanks Jakup! (And I take it these cards don't support Tri-SLi else Jakup'd have three of em...)
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