Is there any reason to buy Ultimate over Home Premium?

Zelda_fan · 06-30-09, 12:44 PM

I was looking at the feature list of Home Premium, and unless I get a system with over 16GB of RAM, there's really no reason to buy it over home premium.

Is there any reason to get Ultimate?

ViN86 · 06-30-09, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Zelda_fan

I was looking at the feature list of Home Premium, and unless I get a system with over 16GB of RAM, there's really no reason to buy it over home premium.

Is there any reason to get Ultimate?

I have been wondering the same thing, and so far I can't really comeup with a reason to go for Ultimate (or even Professional) over Home Premium.

The XP emulation in Pro/Ultimate is cool, but I really don't see myself ever using it. All of the apps I run work fine with Vista, so they will be fine with Win 7. The only thing that I liked was what nekro mentioned and that is the remote desktop software. But I really don't see myself using that either

I am probably going to go with Home Premium. I can't justify the extra $50 for Professional.

rhink · 06-30-09, 06:08 PM

Supposedly home premium will not run inside a VM, if you care (only pro and up). You can get pretty good VNC software for free, so remote desktop is not an issue at all. XP in a VM built into the OS is cool, but if you have a copy of XP to use, you can do the same thing with say, virtual box or (insert favorite free virtualization client software here). The 16 gig limit kind of annoys me, I doubt the next windows comes out quite as quickly as Vista->7 took, I can see myself going to 16 gigs in the next 2-3 years. Of course, supposedly you can upgrade your OS by just buying an upgraded license later.

Mr Bigman · 06-30-09, 07:08 PM

Why bother when virtual pc is free anyway.

Is their something about emulation XP in 7 vs doing it inVista with VPC?

Unless their is full hardware acceloration but i doubt it.

And im not changing languages on the fly anway so why bother.

ViN86 · 06-30-09, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Bigman

Why bother when virtual pc is free anyway.

Is their something about emulation XP in 7 vs doing it inVista with VPC?

Unless their is full hardware acceloration but i doubt it.

And im not changing languages on the fly anway so why bother.

Does Windows 7 require a copy of XP? If not, then that's the difference right there.

**nekrosoft13** · 06-30-09, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ViN86

Does Windows 7 require a copy of XP? If not, then that's the difference right there.

with pro, you get xp license, well virtual license.

ViN86 · 06-30-09, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

with pro, you get xp license, well virtual license.

Thought so. I have an XP license, so it doesn't make a difference to me.

**nekrosoft13** · 06-30-09, 07:32 PM

XP mode is different then virtual PC

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/bus...irtual-pc.aspx

with XP mode, you can run programs in virtual XP mode inside windows 7, outside of virtual machine.

ViN86 · 06-30-09, 07:37 PM

I just pre-ordered Win 7 Home Premium from Best Buy (have an account there with payments, so it's just easier).

I am glad I didn't go for the Pro

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Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

XP mode is different then virtual PC

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/bus...irtual-pc.aspx

with XP mode, you can run programs in virtual XP mode inside windows 7, outside of virtual machine.

Right, it's seamless. But I don't really care about that that much. With the software the file transfer between host and client are seamless anyways.

rhink · 06-30-09, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

XP mode is different then virtual PC

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/bus...irtual-pc.aspx

with XP mode, you can run programs in virtual XP mode inside windows 7, outside of virtual machine.

It's still inside a VM, but you can start it in a mode where all you see is the application window, not the XP desktop. You can run a full XP desktop as well, though, and the application you're running has to be installed through the XP VM, not through windows... at least, that's how I interpreted the article I read. I couldn't get Virtual XP mode running on my windows 7 RC install, which, is itself running inside a virtual box client, heh.

I keep going back and forth over whether I should buy it at all (vs Vista Ultimate)- it annoys me that I can't apply the pre-order deal to Ultimate- and I'm not forking over the $$ for the full price of ultimate upgrade, and to install the pro or home premium versions, I'd have to do a clean install of windows- and Vista is set up pretty well for me atm. If I do buy it, I'll buy pro, though, mostly because of virtual XP and the 16 gig limit on home premium.

ViN86 · 06-30-09, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rhink

It's still inside a VM, but you can start it in a mode where all you see is the application window, not the XP desktop. You can run a full XP desktop as well, though, and the application you're running has to be installed through the XP VM, not through windows... at least, that's how I interpreted the article I read. I couldn't get Virtual XP mode running on my windows 7 RC install, which, is itself running inside a virtual box client, heh.

I keep going back and forth over whether I should buy it at all (vs Vista Ultimate)- it annoys me that I can't apply the pre-order deal to Ultimate- and I'm not forking over the $$ for the full price of ultimate upgrade, and to install the pro or home premium versions, I'd have to do a clean install of windows- and Vista is set up pretty well for me atm. If I do buy it, I'll buy pro, though, mostly because of virtual XP and the 16 gig limit on home premium.

The 16GB limit is only for RAM right? **** I'll never have 16GB or RAM. I probably won't have more than 8 for many years.

rhink · 06-30-09, 10:38 PM

It's only taken me about 3-4 years to go from 1.5 gigs of RAM to 4 gigs (and honestly I wouldn't mind double that already). I could certainly see at least hitting the 16 gig limit within the life span of 7 (another 3-4 years?).... you can already exceed that on core i7's (some mobo's support 24 gigs max), it's just a matter of memory prices coming down a bit more (few are going to shell out $650+ for 16 gigs to max out home premium, but it'll happen).

06-30-09, 12:44 PM	#1
Zelda_fan Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 10,299	Is there any reason to buy Ultimate over Home Premium? I was looking at the feature list of Home Premium, and unless I get a system with over 16GB of RAM, there's really no reason to buy it over home premium. Is there any reason to get Ultimate?

06-30-09, 06:08 PM	#3
rhink Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 434	Re: Is there any reason to buy Ultimate over Home Premium? Supposedly home premium will not run inside a VM, if you care (only pro and up). You can get pretty good VNC software for free, so remote desktop is not an issue at all. XP in a VM built into the OS is cool, but if you have a copy of XP to use, you can do the same thing with say, virtual box or (insert favorite free virtualization client software here). The 16 gig limit kind of annoys me, I doubt the next windows comes out quite as quickly as Vista->7 took, I can see myself going to 16 gigs in the next 2-3 years. Of course, supposedly you can upgrade your OS by just buying an upgraded license later.

06-30-09, 07:08 PM	#4
Mr Bigman Strongest Man On Earth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 4,943	Re: Is there any reason to buy Ultimate over Home Premium? Why bother when virtual pc is free anyway. Is their something about emulation XP in 7 vs doing it inVista with VPC? Unless their is full hardware acceloration but i doubt it. And im not changing languages on the fly anway so why bother. __________________ EVGA X58 Tri SLI Core I 7 3.7Ghz 12 gb corsair DDR3 1600 Three EVGA 285 SLI Antec 1200 Corsiar 1000 HX Power Supply 2 OCZ SSD Hard Drives 4 wd black edition raid 2 setups for 4TB _____________________________ having good looks and a good body is hard work.

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06-30-09, 10:38 PM	#12
rhink Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 434	Re: Is there any reason to buy Ultimate over Home Premium? It's only taken me about 3-4 years to go from 1.5 gigs of RAM to 4 gigs (and honestly I wouldn't mind double that already). I could certainly see at least hitting the 16 gig limit within the life span of 7 (another 3-4 years?).... you can already exceed that on core i7's (some mobo's support 24 gigs max), it's just a matter of memory prices coming down a bit more (few are going to shell out $650+ for 16 gigs to max out home premium, but it'll happen).