nVidia unveil at Pax East

[Vardant]

Originally Posted by Ninja Prime

I like how you trash ATI for tactics NV invented. At least they had the courtesy to release benchmarks on the 5870 2-3 weeks before it came out, I guess NV isn't that confident though.

Paper launch is now considered a courtesy? Oh boy...

Sometimes it feels like NV is forcing you to wait or even to buy their product.

[Ninja Prime]

Hmm interesting...

Rumor from Chinese sites:
GTX470 3Dmark Vantage Performance=167xx, Extreme=73xx

http://www.enet.com.cn/article/2010/...21612409.shtml

If true, that puts the GTX 470 15% slower than a 5870, and similar but a little slower than the 5850. The rumors about the GTX 280 and GTX 285 from china were spot on, need I remind you...

[Ninja Prime]

Originally Posted by Vardant

Paper launch is now considered a courtesy? Oh boy...

Sometimes it feels like NV is forcing you to wait or even to buy their product.

The 5870 didnt paper launch. They did however, have performance numbers available weeks before launch.

[Vardant]

Wow, seriously?

A paper launch is the situation in which a product is compared or tested against other products, despite the fact that it is not available to the public at the time. Generally the term is applied to the computer and gaming industry, although it is not limited to that.

[scubes]

to me something isnt right here if you ask me ive been saving like crazy for one of these cards.do they not have like a preview of these thing,s before they are out????to let you see the performance of it and why are they lauching it before ppl get to see the numbers seems the me that nvidia has a real stinker of a card that isnt gonna be as good as the ati offerings are. EPIC FAIL IF YOU ASK ME. LOOKS like ill be maybe going to ATI THIS TIME AROUND....

NEVER THOUGHT ID EVER SAY THAT COS IVE ALWAYS BOUGHT NVIDIA CARDS...

PLEASE PLEASE NVIDIA PROVE ME WRONG HERE...

[Revs]

Originally Posted by Ninja Prime

Hmm interesting...



http://www.enet.com.cn/article/2010/...21612409.shtml

If true, that puts the GTX 470 15% slower than a 5870, and similar but a little slower than the 5850. The rumors about the GTX 280 and GTX 285 from china were spot on, need I remind you...

I Dream of language here predict the performance under the GTX470 and any similarity is purely coincidental, I am not responsible for, and refused to answer any questions.

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...en-US:official

[Ninja Prime]

Originally Posted by Vardant

Wow, seriously?

I guess you don't have the IQ to figure it out. Thanks for playing though.

[Vardant]

Originally Posted by Ninja Prime

I guess you don't have the IQ to figure it out. Thanks for playing though.

How kind of you.

Releasing numbers before you can buy the product = paper launch.
Waiting months in line, before you get the actual card, that you ordered on day one is exactly that and that's what happened almost all over the world.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by scubes

to me something isnt right here if you ask me ive been saving like crazy for one of these cards.do they not have like a preview of these thing,s before they are out????to let you see the performance of it and why are they lauching it before ppl get to see the numbers seems the me that nvidia has a real stinker of a card that isnt gonna be as good as the ati offerings are. EPIC FAIL IF YOU ASK ME. LOOKS like ill be maybe going to ATI THIS TIME AROUND....

NEVER THOUGHT ID EVER SAY THAT COS IVE ALWAYS BOUGHT NVIDIA CARDS...

PLEASE PLEASE NVIDIA PROVE ME WRONG HERE...

Very strong words of condemnation.

I think you only have one course of action:

Buy an ATi card now to show your approval of their paper launch strategy, and punish NVIDIA for their hard launch policy.

It might turn out you made the right choice.

Crap - all this trash talking is irritating as hell.

I'd love to go to this gig and grab a new Fermi, but so far all I know is that it might beat out a 5870 and that it might cost upwards of $300 more than a 5870.

All of this could be alleviated by Nvidia simply releasing some reliable benchmarks and some price points. Their hesitance alone is almost enough to make me go red by default.

[Yaboze]

If true, that puts the GTX 470 15% slower than a 5870, and similar but a little slower than the 5850. The rumors about the GTX 280 and GTX 285 from china were spot on, need I remind you...

What rumors from China about the 280 and 285?

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by grey_1

Crap - all this trash talking is irritating as hell.

I'd love to go to this gig and grab a new Fermi, but so far all I know is that it might beat out a 5870 and that it might cost upwards of $300 more than a 5870.

All of this could be alleviated by Nvidia simply releasing some reliable benchmarks and some price points. Their hesitance alone is almost enough to make me go red by default.

NVIDIA doesn't paper launch, they don't release benchmarks ahead of schedule. At the Deep Dive at CES they told us they have released more details about Fermi than any launch prior to this.

ATi does indeed paper launch and release info prior to availability.

ATi had so many consecutive unprofitable quarters they ended up selling their business to AMD and losing total control of it. AMD and ATi together now are worth a little more than half of what NVIDIA is worth. NVIDIA made more money than ATi last quarter, and gained marketshare on ATi without even having competing chips.

When I see people say "NVIDIA should do business like ATi!" I consider the above, and hope they don't.