A little disappointed in Nvidia

[Revs]

I'm betting nV are working hard on a refresh of the GF100.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by Heinz68

You're complete waste of time. It is you who has a HUGE problem to get it that ATI has the fastest card on the market. It is you who needs to read more GTX 480 reviews not me. Read one more time what I said:


Your link to 23, GTX295 Reviews/Benchmarks you posted on 01-21-2009 is completely irrelevant to the subject, even more so since I said myself in my first post this thread that the GTX295 was the fastest card on the market,also here.

I believe the subject here is HD 5870 vs GTX 480 buying decision. If the GTX 480 was on average faster than the HD 5970, I would get one as soon as available, don't know how many times I need to say it.

I already said that few times even few months ago when some NVIDIA shills and fanboys predicted that the GTX 480 is going to be 50% faster than the HD 5870. But I'm sure not going to downgrade to GTX 480, how hard is it for you to get it? If you don't see it as downgrade that is your problem. Actually not since you don't need to deal with it.

Right now my ONLY upgrade option if I wanted to go NVIDIA would be GTX 480 SLI = $1000 plus tax, for SLI. I might also need water cooling for the SLI about another $500 or at least new mobo in order to run the cards on slot 1 and 3, might even need both mobo and water-cooling. I also would not downgrade the mobo and the ASUS Rampage III is going to cost at least $400.

I don't care about your drivers SPECULATION about how faster the GTX 480 is going to get. I already did answer it here.

If the GTX 480 ever becomes worthy upgrade to my HD 5970 I sure will deal with it at that time.

If i did listen to all the fanboys SPECULATIONS how fast the GTX 480 is going to be and coming out just about every month since October last year, I would have never bought the HD 5970.

I'll try my best to explain the relevance part of past and present research that your not getting Heinz68t.

I will start by asking the following question.

How can you fail to see the obvious relevance of research?

Be it now or in the recent past. It is part of a process called, "Qualifying."

If you don't understand "Qualifying" then it simply means, proof that an individual is capable of coming up with the goods. And you're not helping yourself by using an argumentative tone Heinz68. You need to post some numbers.

In other words, if I have come up with the numbers in the past, like with the GTX295, maybe I have a better chance than you do, of coming up with the numbers for the GTX480.

It's as simple as that Heinz68.

So, would you please consider posting numbers?

(It involves the research you have done or have not done, yet.)

I have posted one chart in response to a request someone made. They claimed I couldn't find a single game where the end user would be playing a game smoothly at a given setting on the GTX480, and under the same settings, it wouldn't be playable with the HD5870 cards.

Note: They also said to, "Keep in mind that playable for me means averaging 60 FPS or close to it,which ensures that dips into the 20~30 FPS range are few and far between,which definitely doesn't qualify as smooth by any standard when a given card hits FPS values that low,especially in fast paced first person shooters." (Shadow001)

But I found one. Here (BattleForge DX11 1920 x 1200 - Maximum Quality - SSAO High).

I will post the 13, GTX480 Reviews/Benchmarks, that I have sometime today. You should collect some "ammo" too.

Thank you very much for all of your input Heinz68, I appreciate the time you have put into it.

Thanks!

[lee63]

Blah blah blah same ole crap

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by lee63

Blah blah blah same ole crap

Please post numbers.

Your HD5870 is #2 now?

But by how much?

Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%).

But no PhysX. No nV 3D.

Is the over all performance 10% less?

But, the performance at high resolution with 8X AA is 30% less?

Sounds to me like the price needs to be reduced more. And you could go CF for even less. And the reduced price is thanks to the GTX480 release. Right?

Doesn't that make you happy?

Because of the fact that owners of a single HD5870, should consider buying a second one now?

And they scale really well?

IDK So tell me in your opinion with numbers plz!

Thanks

[Madpistol]

Originally Posted by Bee_Dee_3_Dee

Please post numbers.

Your HD5870 is #2 now?

But by how much?

Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%).

But no PhysX. No nV 3D.

Is the over all performance 10% less?

But, the performance at high resolution with 8X AA is 30% less?

Sounds to me like the price needs to be reduced more. And you could go CF for even less. And the reduced price is thanks to the GTX480 release. Right?

Doesn't that make you happy?

Because of the fact that owners of a single HD5870, should consider buying a second one now?

And they scale really well?

IDK So tell me in your opinion with numbers plz!

Thanks

Here's some numbers for you:



HD 5870: 188watts

GTX 480: 250watts


HD 5870: 86C max temp

GTX 480: 95C max temp


HD 5870: 3 or 6 monitors

GTX 480: 2 monitors


HD 5870: $399 MSRP

GTX 480: $499 MSRP


Performance is about 10-20% difference, but the HD 5870 has NONE of the drawbacks the GTX 480 has... like a big ass heatsink that will burn you if you touch it while the game is running.



Now, if you want to play fanboy, that's fine. Bear in mind that each card and company has its advantages.

[Madpistol]

Originally Posted by Bee_Dee_3_Dee

Please post numbers.

Your HD5870 is #2 now?

But by how much?

Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%).

But no PhysX. No nV 3D.

Is the over all performance 10% less?

But, the performance at high resolution with 8X AA is 30% less?

Sounds to me like the price needs to be reduced more. And you could go CF for even less. And the reduced price is thanks to the GTX480 release. Right?

Doesn't that make you happy?

Because of the fact that owners of a single HD5870, should consider buying a second one now?

And they scale really well?

IDK So tell me in your opinion with numbers plz!

Thanks

Here's some numbers for you:



HD 5870: 188watts

GTX 480: 250watts


HD 5870: 86C max temp

GTX 480: 95C max temp


HD 5870: 3 or 6 monitors

GTX 480: 2 monitors


HD 5870: $399 MSRP

GTX 480: $499 MSRP



Physx, as of right now, is a gimmick. Why? It's not an industry standard and is only supported by a handful of games.

3D is being done on ATI cards via a 3rd party program. Therefore, saying nvidia has 3D capabilities is a moot point.

CUDA is NOT and industry standard either.

Tessellation is pretty, but it, too, is not standardized in games as of yet, nor will it be until DX11 becomes standardized in the market. As of right now, it's still in its infancy.

The GTX 480 does NOT outperform the HD 5870 in all games. While the GTX 480 is considered to be the faster card based on numbers alone, it does NOT outperform the HD 5870 outright. That's how you get the roughly 10% average difference in performance. IT'S AN AVERAGE!

Performance is about 10-20% difference, but the HD 5870 has NONE of the drawbacks the GTX 480 has... like a big ass heatsink that will burn you if you touch it while the game is running.



Now, if you want to play fanboy, that's fine. Bear in mind that each card and company has its advantages.




EDIT: one last thing...

I can guarantee you that the first GTX 480s are going to be sold at extremely inflated pricing due to availability at the beginning. You'll be seeing $50 or more tagged onto that price. If you preordered, great. If not, you're going to pay at lot for that sauna card.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by Madpistol

Here's some numbers for you:



HD 5870: 188watts

GTX 480: 250watts


HD 5870: 86C max temp

GTX 480: 95C max temp


HD 5870: 3 or 6 monitors

GTX 480: 2 monitors


HD 5870: $399 MSRP

GTX 480: $499 MSRP


Performance is about 10-20% difference, but the HD 5870 has NONE of the drawbacks the GTX 480 has... like a big ass heatsink that will burn you if you touch it while the game is running.



Now, if you want to play fanboy, that's fine. Bear in mind that each card and company has its advantages.

Excellent Madpistol! Thanks!

And I don't want to play fanboy. I just want the facts, "Madpistol". (jk)

Thanks again I apreciate the numbers very much. If curious HD5870 fans see your numbers it should help them see it is time to go CF! w00t!

Peace! "Madpistol". (Please don't blow my head off.) (Oh, and is your safety on? Always check it first ppl.)

[Madpistol]

Originally Posted by Bee_Dee_3_Dee

Excellent Madpistol! Thanks!

And I don't want to play fanboy. I just want the facts, "Madpistol". (jk)

Thanks again I apreciate the numbers very much. If curious HD5870 fans see your numbers it should help them see it is time to go CF! w00t!

Peace! "Madpistol". (Please don't blow my head off.) (Oh, and is your safety on? Always check it first ppl.)

SLI definitely scales better on the GTX 480's. There's no arguing that.

Bear in mind, you don't need a small nuclear reactor to run 2 5870's in Crossfire.



That's an exageration, of course.

Still, 150-watts less is required to run 2 5870's in CF. That's a pretty significant amount of power.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by Madpistol

SLI definitely scales better on the GTX 480's. There's no arguing that.

Bear in mind, you don't need a small nuclear reactor to run 2 5870's in Crossfire.



That's an exageration, of course.

Still, 150-watts less is required to run 2 5870's in CF. That's a pretty significant amount of power.

Yes, that is true!

But please help me with the numbers, Madpistol.

You don't need a small nuclear reactor for HD5870CF. (In comparison to a GTX480.)

Because, HD5870CF requires __________ Idle and __________ Under Full Load.

The GTX480 requires __________ Idle and __________ Under Full Load.

Difference in number and %: __________ Idle and __________ Under Full Load.

((Maybe: Peak Watts (Total System Consumption) for the Idle and the Load.)

(include urls. i know u know. but just for sake of others posting i mention it.)

I know that I have one source that show a really good GTX480 charts including Idle, and Load = 1 hour. But I thing it lacks the HD5870CF. I'll try and check my other sources today.

tytyty!

[lee63]

Originally Posted by Bee_Dee_3_Dee

Please post numbers.

Your HD5870 is #2 now?

But by how much?

Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%).

But no PhysX. No nV 3D.

Is the over all performance 10% less?

But, the performance at high resolution with 8X AA is 30% less?

Sounds to me like the price needs to be reduced more. And you could go CF for even less. And the reduced price is thanks to the GTX480 release. Right?

Doesn't that make you happy?

Because of the fact that owners of a single HD5870, should consider buying a second one now?

And they scale really well?

IDK So tell me in your opinion with numbers plz!

Thanks

Blah blah blah...meaning same old thread over and over again. I don't give a rats a$$ about your numbers, or Rollo's and Shadow's bickering.

You see...I'm a mod here, I have to read this useless garbage every day and deiced who I'll ban next.

Its getting boring and repetitive. As for NV cards...I've owed more than you've had hot dinners....so think twice before you quote me with your #'s BS.

[gulizard]

Originally Posted by Xion X2

Why are you looking at just one game, again?

How about this one:



Or maybe this one:



http://firingsquad.com/hardware/nvid...0_performance/

Two of the best looking games out there, and pretty easy to find benches of 5870 Crossfire running right with or outperforming 480 SLI.

Now I'm not posting these to say that 5870 Crossfire is stronger, but you need to look at more than one title to get an accurate picture of performance. There are several titles that 5870 Crossfire competes quite well in.

Benchmark just shows they need to improve drivers. We all know the 480 is superior to the 285, and it loses to it the SLI 285', so I am waiting for a few driver releases before I go saying nvidia "lost"

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