A little disappointed in Nvidia

[newparad1gm]

Originally Posted by Madpistol

3D is being done on ATI cards via a 3rd party program. Therefore, saying nvidia has 3D capabilities is a moot point.

Catalyst has just enabled 3D through shutter based tech right now in its drivers, the actual products that utilize it to its fullest extent are not out yet.

To use 3D with ATI right now, you have to use the iz3D polarized monitors, or something like the ELSA revelator glasses. The iz3D monitors are generally inferior 22" monitors that suffer from a lot of ghosting, while the ELSA revelator glasses have terrible support and drivers, which generally holds true for all the other current third party shutter based solutions. Plus there is no support for multimonitor 3D in these solutions.

The true 3D solution for ATI right now is Bit Cauldron's shutter glasses with emitter, which is not due out until the 2nd half of 2010: http://in.sys-con.com/node/1235121. Even then it remains to be seen how well Bit Cauldron's solution will work with ATI cards and whether it will receive regular driver updates to work with the latest games and such.

There is no complete 3D ecosystem right now for 3D using ATI unlike NVIDIA's 3D Vision, which have support for the latest games and for the latest 3D displays, and is a solution that is easy to set up and only requires a quick driver update. Games have a 3D Profile, sort of like an SLI profile, and helps the game run better and look better in 3D.

GTX 480 for me, as I no longer have to make the tough decision of playing in 3D or playing DX11. I can do both now

[gulizard]

Originally Posted by nekrosoft13

welcome to atinews.net

THANK YOU! I love that I am not the only one.

I use to frequent the AMD Support Forums as a user. Intel came out with its Conroe processor and it owned AMD's Processor, back then I still was running a Athlon 4800+ Dual Core Processor Socket 939, DDR, nVidia Graphics. I had it in my sig on their site, several little Intel fan boys that were hardcore **** talkers of Intel even having Intel Avatars making fun of the Prescotts. Which was fine with AMD being as it was an AMD Support/ FAN SITE. They banned several people coming in posting benchmarks of Intel beating them, which isn't bad because again these people were bad mouthing exactly what they use to love and swear by. I am sure we can look and see many of these guys here posting how ATI is such a great fantastic card and when nvidia was on top those people had **** to with ATI. ATI took forever to come back to anywhere close to the top.

I don't give a rats ass how great their drivers are, they are not better then nvidias. I don't want to buy an ATI and I am tired of seeing the unfriendly competition. Post up your benchmarks but we don't need this "NVIDIA IS BETTER THEN ATI, or ATI IS BETTER THEN NVIDIA" bs. Discuss nVidia keep it towards nVidia because this is an NVIDIA FAN SITE, this is not BASH NVIDIA.

This entire forum is dedicated to the GF100 Series. Mike C posted they were hot, he didn't however say "These are hot, and they suck ass. He gave a well balanced review of what he thought, positives and negatives. These ATI guys have nothing good to say about nvidia, and all I am saying is these same guys are just hypocrits, because back when ATI was sucking ass, these guys was on nvidia's dick.

[weevil]

ATI was sucking ass, these guys was nvidia's dick

Please keep your fantasies to yourself, there are probably young and for a time innocent people reading. Let's not hurry things along.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by lee63

Blah blah blah...meaning same old thread over and over again. I don't give a rats a$$ about your numbers, or Rollo's and Shadow's bickering.

You see...I'm a mod here, I have to read this useless garbage every day and deiced who I'll ban next.

Its getting boring and repetitive. As for NV cards...I've owed more than you've had hot dinners....so think twice before you quote me with your #'s BS.

If you're a mod on nVNews with such an anti-constructive attitude I will be surprised.

And you have read this entire thread, and then make the comments about my post like you have? It makes no sense at all, lee63. I've contributed to its' becoming productive and fanboys from both side becoming more accepting of each other.

If you're a mod, then how do you feel about this thread so far?

1,000+ views and 100+ posts.

How information is starting to be posted and not just angry ppl's posts?

As a moderator are you not required to avoid adding to the potential of unproductive flaiming?

I'm not posting useless garbage as you claim I am Lee63.

For example:

"Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%)."

How is this useless garbage?

Are you really a Mod?

How can I find out?

How about if you help keep this thread stay on a productive course and help gather proof about facts and figures rather than putting in your negative thoughts.

Thank you lee63.

[Slytat]

Originally Posted by Bee_Dee_3_Dee

If you're a mod on nVNews with such an anti-constructive attitude I will be surprised.

And you have read this entire thread, and then make the comments about my post like you have? It makes no sense at all, lee63. I've contributed to its' becoming productive and fanboys from both side becoming more accepting of each other.

If you're a mod, then how do you feel about this thread so far?

1,000+ views and 100+ posts.

How information is starting to be posted and not just angry ppl's posts?

As a moderator are you not required to avoid adding to the potential of unproductive flaiming?

I'm not posting useless garbage as you claim I am Lee63.

For example:

"Because HD5870 is only $79 cheaper (19%). Or maybe $100 cheaper (24%)."

How is this useless garbage?

Are you really a Mod?

How can I find out?

How about if you help keep this thread stay on a productive course and help gather proof about facts and figures rather than putting in your negative thoughts.

Thank you lee63.

He is a mod dude.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by Slytat

He is a mod dude.

cool.

I was only pointing out that his attitude was questionable.

You shouldn't expect a Mod to claim I'm posting garbage when I'm attempting to thwart angry sentiment.

Apparently he was nit picking one post of mine and had not read all in this thread. But still, why have a mod without a very good attitude. I've picked mods on forums before and if the individual in question shows a tendency towards a poor attitude I don't select them.

[Sazar]

Originally Posted by lee63

Blah blah blah...meaning same old thread over and over again. I don't give a rats a$$ about your numbers, or Rollo's and Shadow's bickering.

You see...I'm a mod here, I have to read this useless garbage every day and deiced who I'll ban next.

Its getting boring and repetitive. As for NV cards...I've owed more than you've had hot dinners....so think twice before you quote me with your #'s BS.

I think I love you

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

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[AdamK47]

I was one of those disappointed in the GTX480 based on the reviews. I ended up buying two 5870 in light of this.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by AdamK47

I was one of those disappointed in the GTX480 based on the reviews. I ended up buying two 5870 in light of this. I posted a reply about this in another thread on this sub forum. It ended up getting deleted for some mindless neoconservative reason. There wasn't anything bad by it, but I guess someone representing nVidia didn't like it.

cool.

post comparison between FPS on HD5870CF and GTX480.




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[Absolution]

I think this entired thread can be summed up by anandtech's conclusion (or any other legitimate review site).

To wrap things up, let’s start with the obvious: NVIDIA has reclaimed their crown – they have the fastest single-GPU card. The GTX 480 is between 10 and 15% faster than the Radeon 5870 depending on the resolution, giving it a comfortable lead over AMD’s best single-GPU card.

Meanwhile let’s talk about the other factors: price, power, and noise. At $500 the GTX 480 is the world’s fastest single-GPU card, but it’s not a value proposition. The price gap between it and the Radeon 5870 is well above the current performance gap, but this has always been true about the high-end. Bigger than price though is the tradeoff for going with the GTX 480 and its much bigger GPU – it’s hotter, it’s noisier, and it’s more power hungry, all for 10-15% more performance. If you need the fastest thing you can get then the choice is clear, otherwise you’ll have some thinking to decide what you want and what you’re willing to live with in return.

I don't why people try to post one benchmark that proves one card is better than another. They trade swings, but on average the 480 GTX is 10-15% faster but something along the lines of 25-35% more expensive. It is also hotter.

I don't even see the need for such a card right now unless you have > 24" monitor. I'm just glad I bought the card I did for so little as I did. No one wins this round, GPU prices haven't improved. They've improved the performance, but also increased the price.

[Bee_Dee_3_Dee]

Originally Posted by Absolution

I think this entired thread can be summed up by anandtech's conclusion (or any other legitimate review site).





I don't why people try to post one benchmark that proves one card is better than another. They trade swings, but on average the 480 GTX is 10-15% faster but something along the lines of 25-35% more expensive. It is also hotter.

I don't even see the need for such a card right now unless you have > 24" monitor. I'm just glad I bought the card I did for so little as I did. No one wins this round, GPU prices haven't improved. They've improved the performance, but also increased the price.

cool.

I've played on a single 28" or 26.5" for five years and have needed the extra performance.

I wish performance and costs would allow everybody to move to 2560 x 1600.

But we'll get there eventually.