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Old 06-07-10, 08:22 AM   #13
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Makes me wonder if PB is having a conflict with a hardware related item. I have to jump on the smooth as butter bandwagon. I will disable PB and try both games and see if I notice a difference. As for now Both MW2 and BFBC2 run great. I will also post Fraps video when I'm done in case I am blind to the whole thing.....
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Old 06-07-10, 09:15 AM   #14
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So for those that claimed they aren't seeing it... now that I know what was causing it I googled and sure enough alot of people are reporting the same problems. Looks like it may be the cause for some of the BF BC2 stutter and its reportedly gotten worse in the latest version of pb. http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...buster+stutter

I think you guys need your eyes checked lol. Probably the same people that claimed to never see micro stutter too. This is kind of funny though, pb causes this stutter for a lot of people due to the way it works with the heartbeat thing, even balance even mentions changing settings in their FAQ for this.

Now when other people claim not to see it or report the game as being butter smooth you've gotta wonder why. Do some people really not see this stutter from it? Are they just saying they aren't seeing it?
There is nothing wrong with our eyes.

Having had a 295, I know all about micro stutter and I don't get a stutter at all in either of those games. In fact, I've yet to see stutter in any game I've played. It's one of the reason's I'm loving the 400 series so much more than the 200.

Why do people report the games being butter smooth? Because they are. Not everyone will be hit with the same issues and even minor differences in systems will eliminate or show issues that other people don't have. Case in point, the 257 driver causes the polling in programs like Precision, Afterburner, etc. to cause stuttering on some setups. I'm running the driver and haven't had a problem, but there are numerous reports from people saying that disabling these programs or reverting their drivers makes the issue go away. It doesn't effect every setup, though, which is why many of us can run them just fine.
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Old 06-07-10, 09:27 AM   #15
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There is nothing wrong with our eyes.

Having had a 295, I know all about micro stutter and I don't get a stutter at all in either of those games. In fact, I've yet to see stutter in any game I've played. It's one of the reason's I'm loving the 400 series so much more than the 200.

Why do people report the games being butter smooth? Because they are. Not everyone will be hit with the same issues and even minor differences in systems will eliminate or show issues that other people don't have. Case in point, the 257 driver causes the polling in programs like Precision, Afterburner, etc. to cause stuttering on some setups. I'm running the driver and haven't had a problem, but there are numerous reports from people saying that disabling these programs or reverting their drivers makes the issue go away. It doesn't effect every setup, though, which is why many of us can run them just fine.
Well the punkbuster issue with COD4 is a documented problem. Everyone has it. As long as you have PB enabled and are on a PB server - or start your own, you will have the stutter for about the first minute. Its not a question of if you have it....you do, its more a question of how many people notice it.

I just think some people will say "its butter smooth" to anyone else having a problem. They probably don't even have the game in question.
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Old 06-07-10, 09:55 AM   #16
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Well the punkbuster issue with COD4 is a documented problem. Everyone has it. As long as you have PB enabled and are on a PB server - or start your own, you will have the stutter for about the first minute. Its not a question of if you have it....you do, its more a question of how many people notice it.

I just think some people will say "its butter smooth" to anyone else having a problem. They probably don't even have the game in question.
What does this problem have to do with your OP?

The CoD4 PB issue last about a minute and is unrelated to your video card, and in fact would have happened with your old Ati card. You are complaining about hitching across multiple games with your 480, and questioning how the rest of us can be running smoothly.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with our eyes, it's something going on with your system. I hope you figure it out, but don't assume that the rest of us are circling the wagons or just telling you this stuff for the hell of it.
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Old 06-07-10, 10:29 AM   #17
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One thing that I've had to do in the past on COD2 and COD4 was set it to enable SLI even if I wasn't using multiple GPUs. That seemed to fix some hitching issues for me. Servers weren't running PB though.
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Old 06-07-10, 10:36 AM   #18
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Geezus. So I disabled PB in COD4, started a server in downpour (same as I have been for testing) and its butter. WTF!! No wonder I've had issues... BF BC2 uses PB too. Stupid azz PB, you gotta be kidding me.


Thanks much!!!! That was it 110% in COD4. Now I've gotta go back and see how many other games I was playing used PB, but I bet its a bunch. So is there any "fix" for this??

EDIT COD MW2 MP was choppy too - I bet its PB on that game as well.
I've never liked that crap and it has been responsible for more than a few problems where FPS/performance is concerned in my experience.

As usual, the cheaters keep on cheating while PB inconveniences legitimate gamers
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Old 06-07-10, 11:39 AM   #19
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I have been experiencing the PB heartbeats problem with CoD4 for 12 months now. Its the only game that uses PB that does this.

I have sent numerous tickets to PB but they insisted it is my hardware, even though the problem persists on all 3 of my PC's. Its the main reason i stopped playing CoD4 competitively.
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What does this problem have to do with your OP?

The CoD4 PB issue last about a minute and is unrelated to your video card, and in fact would have happened with your old Ati card. You are complaining about hitching across multiple games with your 480, and questioning how the rest of us can be running smoothly.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with our eyes, it's something going on with your system. I hope you figure it out, but don't assume that the rest of us are circling the wagons or just telling you this stuff for the hell of it.
Well I've been playing a lot of BF BC2 lately... which also uses PB - problem recognized. COD MW2 has been choppy but someone else confirmed it has been for them too lately - plus I can kind of fix that with vsync. But then I installed this and it was choppy but it was PB so it wasnt my eyes, its there. AC2 was another game that is choppy but vsync fixed that. ..and in fact it wasnt happening with my ATI card. Did you see what the official FAQ suggested... "changing GPUs"!!! They suggest you try another GPU lmao. So obviously they are aware its an issue with someones drivers...

So, no, there is nothing wrong with my system. All the issues I laid out there are documented on the internet. The problem is that I have all these issues with the games I'm playing right now...I have gone back and installed about 10 other games and they do run smoothly, at least in single player. The punkbuster issue affects any MP game with PB according to even balance... so we have to wait that out unfortunately.
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Old 06-07-10, 12:32 PM   #21
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Well I didn't just say it's smooth... It is in fact smooth for me.
I'm able to notice micro stuttering in a heartbeat. The 9800GX2 or ATI Crossfire solutions are pretty bad in that regard, at least in certain situations.
But I've never noticed this PB issue in BC2. I don't play CoD online anymore, CoD 2 was the last good CoD MP.
Well my post was about COD4 MP though... you are saying it's smooth but also stated you haven't played COD4 MP anymore. So.... just to clarify... is COD 4 MP smooth for you? or are you just starting in general games are smooth?
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Old 06-07-10, 12:39 PM   #22
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Make sure PB is up to date man!?
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Make sure PB is up to date man!?
Yea, checked that too. Thanks!
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Type into console...

/cg_drawfps 1
/com_maxfps 250
/cl_maxpackets 100
/pb_sleep 500
/pb_writecfg

Everytime you get the stutter you will see the fps drop around 100 for about 1ms every 3-5 seconds for about 2 mins. PB will then sleep untill the heartbeats start again.

the /pb_sleep command will increase the time it takes for pb to communicate with your pc. All the above console commands are perfectly legal and will improve lag/registration aalthough it will not cure the problem completly it will reduce how often it happens.

The stutters are caused by the way that pb scans the memory on 64bit OS.
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