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Old 07-10-10, 05:24 PM   #13
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Default Re: What's most important to you with regards to GTX 460?

enthusiasts would not buy a slower card so yeah thats why it took a long time for people to care to say something in this thread but i would give the card a try
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Old 07-10-10, 05:31 PM   #14
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enthusiasts would not buy a slower card so yeah thats why it took a long time for people to care to say something in this thread but i would give the card a try
At certain points the $200 market was HUGE and VERY well represented here at nvnews. GF3 ti200 and GF4 ti4200 attracted swarms of people in this price segment. Things cooled off during Geforce FX days UNTIL the 5900XT showed up. That card took off like a rocket in these parts. That momentum mostly carried over to the 6800NU, and I think that's when the $200 segment has gone through a steady and consistent slump as far as market impact.

It appears as though NVIDIA wants this market demographic to become more pronounced and impactful again. Amen to that, I'm down with it.
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Old 07-10-10, 11:08 PM   #15
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Default Re: What's most important to you with regards to GTX 460?

with the 200 series cards the only thing in this price point was GTS250, which was just a warmed over 8800. that's like a 5 years old part I believe. NV looks to be changing that with the 460, which looks like a real honest-to-goodness next gen design.
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Old 07-10-10, 11:51 PM   #16
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At certain points the $200 market was HUGE and VERY well represented here at nvnews. GF3 ti200 and GF4 ti4200 attracted swarms of people in this price segment. Things cooled off during Geforce FX days UNTIL the 5900XT showed up. That card took off like a rocket in these parts. That momentum mostly carried over to the 6800NU, and I think that's when the $200 segment has gone through a steady and consistent slump as far as market impact.

It appears as though NVIDIA wants this market demographic to become more pronounced and impactful again. Amen to that, I'm down with it.
Oh, I agree, that is a huge market.

It's just that its been heavily populated recently by older GTX 285's, 280's, etc... to the point where I doubt the 460 will look attractive because it won't perform as well as the "old" higher end cards.

For example. The GTX 465 was recently released, you'd know, you own one. I compared the benchmarks and honestly it's a great card, but the performance is almost identical in most games compared to a GTX 285. Having snatched that card used half a year ago for less than the $280 they were asking (at the time) for a 465 I largely saw it as a wasted price-bracket.

The point I'm trying to make is that these new cards "suck" at these price-points because of the fact that the old generation's high-end has been flooded with a new generation, displacing them. If you really want DX11 or something from that generation then I suppose its great..... but I don't even know if that's true.

For example.... I just got a 470 today. I've been playing with it and yeh, it's a very powerful card... so was my 285. I'm having a hard time understanding why I really made the purchase other than really really wanting to get some time in with CUDA 3.0. I can say right now that the upgrade from a 285 to a 470 is less than appreciable in most games unless dx11 is a huge motivating factor.



To answer your first question. What's the most important about a 460? PRICE!!! This card needs to be around the performance of a 465, or at the least be even to a 285 / 280 / 4890 for me to consider it in builds for friends.... otherwise I'd really have to recommend they pick up 2, $100, used GTX 260's and SLI them....
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Old 07-11-10, 02:03 PM   #17
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with the 200 series cards the only thing in this price point was GTS250, which was just a warmed over 8800. that's like a 5 years old part I believe. NV looks to be changing that with the 460, which looks like a real honest-to-goodness next gen design.
The 8800 is less than 4 years old. The first reviews surfaced on Nov 8, 2006.

I'm glad that nvidia is ramping up their hardware design, but they are still WAYYYYY behind where they need to be. The money in this market is in the low-end, which nvidia still doesn't have in DX11 cards.

On the plus side, it seems like the price of the GTX 460 is going to be perfect. I think the light bulb has finally come on.
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Low-end is mostly about OEM deals and they don't care about DX10/11.

In consumer market it's around the $199 mark. It was the G92 that made NV so rich and that's only 3 years back.
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Old 07-11-10, 05:02 PM   #19
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I think Price vs Performance and Power Consumption are the most important factors for this card since it seems like this is where nvidia has largely been beat. I'm curious how these will perform in SLI since I bet they will be popular to use in SLI configurations like the 260 was. I think the 5830 has been the weak link in ATI's chain (high power consumption with too many performance compromises) so I'm sure the 460 will compete very well with it.
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If they come out with a GTX 460 that is Clocked at 800/4000 and has a igig of memory and get it priced at $199 I think it would sell well ,I seen at newegg they have one clocked at 800/4000 and 1gig of memory but it is priced at $250.That is to close t5o what you can buy a GTX 470 at or it used to be I see the prices of the GTX 470 are going up.I bought my GTX 470 for $279 and now it is priced at $ 349.But the GTX 460 should be a lot faster then a HD 5830 clock as high as I see them.
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People haven't been excited about value for money cards since the 8800GT because all value for money cards from NV since then have basically been modified 8800GT's

Now they've finally set to rectify this, so I'm hoping the GTX460 delivers. My main concern with it is VRAM. When the competition from ATi basically all have 1GB, I don't think 768MB will be competitive. However, we are talking about a market that shouldn't really be gaming at above 1680x1050, so it may not be a problem, but for me, it's a turn off. Obviously I'm not in the market for such a card. Friends of mine might be though, so I'm still somewhat curious about how it turns out.
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People haven't been excited about value for money cards since the 8800GT because all value for money cards from NV since then have basically been modified 8800GT's
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True.... the 6800NU / LT / XT / GS ..... w/e they marketed them as were amazing cards MOSTLY because you were able to unlock them, atleast if I remember right, that was the key, lots of value in a card at that price range that you can unlock to full Ultra / GT specs
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After reading the initial reviews I'm confident this will be a good card.... I don't yet know if I can recommend it to someone looking to build a new system though if they're in the sub $200 price-range.... the 5770 still looks pretty good in that realm.

As I've said before the GTX 285 looks too good too in the ~$200 price-range, granted those are all used. Either way though, I still think the older high-end beats these out. If it has to be DX11 and has to be ~$200 though the 460 looks great.... better than the 465 for value and better than the 5850 in general.

I think 2 of the 460's in SLI would be a great performer.... but I'm going to take a guess and say $150 each needs to be the price-point for it to really look like an attractive option to most people.... the 5770's for example are that sweet spot where they outperform a 5850 at the same cost.... twice the space. These 460's in SLI should place just above a 470 judging by the price
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