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Old 10-28-10, 02:05 AM   #61
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Default Re: The Official HD 6000 Series Review thread

This is good for a start. There's one hour of MSI's Kombustor stability test on a Sapphire HD 6850 @ 945|1150 default voltage. Peak load was 68C. That's not bad for pumping out 600+ FPS for an hour. I used 80% fan speed because I didn't want to get screwed by thermals at like 55mins into the test. Tomorrow I am going to try 56% fan speed and see what happens.

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/1968/6850oc.jpg

Voltage boosting will come as soon as MSI update Afterburner. In any case, my nephew will be perfectly fine with a card that does 945. Poor kid is on an HD 3850 now
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Old 10-28-10, 06:42 AM   #62
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Get the Asus version of 68xx for the ability to increase voltage



Nah, the 6870 is already as fast or faster than 5870 in most games. 6950 and 70 will be much faster than both the 5870 and gtx 480.
Cherry picked benchmarks then.

From the evidence i've gathered, lots of it, the 5870 is a faster single gpu solution than the 6870 but the 6870 Crossfire leaps ahead plus has the option of the new MLAA.

Anyone who upgrades from a 5870 to a 6870 will be mighty gutted, it's a sidestep and not an upgrade in the slightest.

Dig around more, your see what I mean.

Now if you want to crossfire a pair of the 6870s, that's a whole different story. On a par with GTX 470 SLI and on many occasions bettering them with stock clocks. On alot of benchies they even top the 5970 which is quite incredible when you look at the cost. (Over here anyway.)
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Old 10-28-10, 10:27 AM   #63
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Get the Asus version of 68xx for the ability to increase voltage



Nah, the 6870 is already as fast or faster than 5870 in most games. 6950 and 70 will be much faster than both the 5870 and gtx 480.
The 6870 seems to be about 5-10% slower from what I've seen when compared toe the 5870.
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Old 10-28-10, 11:02 AM   #64
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From what i can see 6870 gets 1 fps less in Crysis warhead than 5870, 1 fps less in RE5, 2 fps less in Call of pripyat, but about 30 points more in Unigine benchmark. And remember this is on early drivers too, and the benchmark i got this from did not run the test on the newly released catalyst drivers from AMD so the difference could be better for sure, especially with future drivers which are even more optimized. Also if u OC the 6870 it'll be about 5% faster in most games (ofc u can also OC the 5870, but the thing is the 6870 can manage better than the 5870, especially with an OC!

Even an voltageclocked 6850 for 170 dollars can perform slightly faster than the original 6870 which means it would perform about exactly as the 5870 which cost about 330 dollar as cheapest, for about that price you could get DUAL 6850 if u find a good price, and prices also dropping fast now for the 68xx series. The 6 series is truly an epic release by AMD thanks to their aggressive price setting...
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Old 10-28-10, 12:20 PM   #65
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You guys better look at the AF of the new cards again. Of course, if speed is all it matters to you, fine

But if not.... http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=58859&page=2

http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/.../index.php?p=6
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Yeah 6800 series defaults to lower quality AF. It can be changed in CCC, but reviewers will just test with default. Because of this it looks better than it should when compared to 5850/70. The 6800 series are fine products, but not fine 5800 series replacements! I'd still probably buy a 6870 over a 5870 because of the price difference, tessellation performance, and official MLAA support.
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Old 10-29-10, 01:25 AM   #67
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Overclocking article for the 6850|6870.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ing-study.html

Oddly, this article made me eager to see what the upcoming HD 6950 can do. Or that is, how much does it cost and how does it perform when overclocked? If the situation is like what it is between a 5850 and 5870 when they're being overclocked on the same voltage, the 6950 will definitely be interesting.
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I was planning on picking up a 6850 in a few weeks to replace my 5770... but seeing the GTX460 1GB available for roughly the same price, give or take a little, and with nVidia's GTX500 series due out soon... I may just hold off for a bit.

I can feel this 5770 hitting its limit, and as of late I've really been feeling drawn back into gaming. I want a card that is light on power usage and heat output, but packs a mean performance punch for the dollars paid. Right now both the GTX460 1GB and the 6850 offer this. But will nVidia replace the 460 with a 560? With the 6850 drop in price even more with the release of the GTX500 series?

Too many variables and with the budget I'm on I have to make sure every purchase counts. Selling my 5770 will help pay for the new card, yes, but it wont entirely cover the cost.

So I think I'm just gonna' sit and wait. Maybe closer to Christmas time I'll be able to make a decision. Prices and availability should have evened out by then, and with the holidays I'm sure there's gonna' be some pretty good deals available.

This 5770 may be near it's performance limit already, but it'll last me that long.
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I think the 6850's price is fine but the 6870's price could drop depending on how much/fast the 560 is though.
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ComputerBase published an interesting article about the new GPUs and drivers from AMD. It's in German but here's the Google translation: Link.

While the MLAA is nice for games that don't support AA, like GTA4, the new AF is ridiculous. And it even affects 5000 series users.

This is completely not understandable for me. It's the year 2010 and thanks to the crappy consoles and lazy developers the PC hardware is miles ahead of the actual games. Performance is not an issue these days.
It's all about features and image quality. The features are great and with some of them, like 3D or surround gaming, performance becomes a factor again.
But for normal usage, image quality is king and it's exactly here were AMD is messing with the customer again Not necessary!
I found their AF comparisons interesting, but only noticed a real difference in Trackmania. Everything else was beyond negligable.

They tested MLAA wrong. If you up the samples in CCC when enabling MLAA it does MSAAx(samples) + MLAA. It looks like they did 8xMSAA + MLAA. MLAA should not even see as much of a performance hit as 2x MSAA, yet they've shown it having more of a hit than just about any other mode. Big fail on their testing there.
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Redeemed, sorry to hear that your 5770 is already to slow for you.
Well at least now you don't have an argument not to get the GTX 460. New new prices are too good

Not sure if there will be a GTX 560 though. I'd say the GTX 580 is only a quick reaction to stay competitive in the high end segment and not the beginning of a new complete refresh.
I wouldn't say it's too slow for me... just that I can tell I'm near it's limits. Plays Crysis on Very High @ 1920 x 1200, no AA though. Pleased with it for now, I just know that I'll likely feel held back by it in the near future.

So yeah, ultimately I'm really torn on the GTX460 or 6850. Think I'm just gonna' hold out till Christmas time. Should be some good deals then, and the market should have stabilized regarding pricing and availability. Might be able to grab a 6850 with a nice rebate or such. If not, yes... the GTX460 is where I'll be going.
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I wouldn't say it's too slow for me... just that I can tell I'm near it's limits. Plays Crysis on Very High @ 1920 x 1200, no AA though. Pleased with it for now, I just know that I'll likely feel held back by it in the near future.

So yeah, ultimately I'm really torn on the GTX460 or 6850. Think I'm just gonna' hold out till Christmas time. Should be some good deals then, and the market should have stabilized regarding pricing and availability. Might be able to grab a 6850 with a nice rebate or such. If not, yes... the GTX460 is where I'll be going.
Redeemed: I really don't think it's a very good idea going from a 5770 to a 460 or 6850.

Why? Because they're in the same performance category.

HD 4870, 4890, 5770, 5830, 6850, GTX 460 192 and 256 bit perform similarly if you group together all games results...

So I'd really shoot for the HD 5850/6870/GTX 470 performance category if I were you, otherwise you really won't notice that much of an overall improvement..
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