GTX 480: Worst GeForce card ever?

[ragejg]

Do not derail this thread with personal insults. Do not escalate this thread into a flame war.

I really don't want to have to get any more involved in this thread. If I do I won't be all that friendly.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation. I understand that even the thread title itself invites inflammatory comments, but use common sense, or I'll have to use my common sense on you.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by Ninja Prime

Maybe you should read your own link smarty pants... All but one bracket is won by ATI. Mid-high end = 6870 winnar. Mid range = 6850 winnar. Low mid range = 5770 winnar. Low end = 4850 winnar. The only one you can even argue is the top end 5970 vs 580 match up, which of course this was made before the price dropped on 5970, which right now at newegg are $469, making them win that one too.

Thanks for playing though brah!

I have to disagree:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-400-_-Product

$209.99 shipped AMIR for a GTX470. This card is faster than a 6870, has more proprietary features by far.

The cheapest 6870?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-909-_-Product

$262 shipped

So how is costing 25% more, having less features, being slower making a 6870 the "winnar by a country mile" NP? Just looks like ATi can't compete to me, and I didn't even mention the much cheaper GTX460 FTW edition that reviewers said was all around better than the 6870:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130575

So how do I back up what I said?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/a...ange-market/21

Originally Posted by AnandTech

At $260 the GTX 470 is several percent faster than the 6870

Originally Posted by AnandTech

Meanwhile if you care about a balance of performance and power/heat/noise, then it’s the 6870 versus the EVGA GTX 460; and the EVGA card wins in an unfair fight. As an overclocked card in a launch card article we’re not going to give it a nod, but we’re not going to ignore it; it’s 5% faster than the reference 6870 while at the same time it’s cooler and quieter

So AT, one of the top review sites says the NVIDIA cards are both faster, and that the 460 is cooler and quieter. NinjaPrime says the ATi cards "own price/performance by a country mile!".

Who to believe?

[Blacklash]

This is what can happen when you have Crossfire enabled without a proper driver profile present. It could be missing or broken. This includes dual GPU cards like the 5970 that use Crossfire tech.



Source:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._10.html#sect3

Yes, you can turn off Crossfire and get single GPU performance. Also in that title Crossfire is not needed for decent performance. However if that was a title where you needed two GPUs for decent FPS with maxed settings you'd be out of luck, or have to turn settings down. I'm not sure if the option to switch off Crossfire exists on the 5970 in current drivers. You use to be able to basically accomplish that by unchecking Cat AI in the CCC.

I've used single GPU, SLi and Crossfire across a few generations. As far as reliability, stability and solid support, it goes; single GPU, SLi, then Crossfire.

[onmikesline]

ill tell you what. i have 2 5870s and one end up dead and i had to RMA it. almost 90% of my games get the same FPS with one lol. all im saying is ati cant get things right and im going back to nvidia next time and yeah ill never buy a ASUS anything for the rest of my life because there RMA service is really really bad. it sucks because i really do like asus but its all about customer service

[Ninja Prime]

Originally Posted by Rollo

I have to disagree:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-400-_-Product

$209.99 shipped AMIR for a GTX470. This card is faster than a 6870, has more proprietary features by far.

The cheapest 6870?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-909-_-Product

$262 shipped

So how is costing 25% more, having less features, being slower making a 6870 the "winnar by a country mile" NP? Just looks like ATi can't compete to me, and I didn't even mention the much cheaper GTX460 FTW edition that reviewers said was all around better than the 6870:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130575

So how do I back up what I said?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/a...ange-market/21





So AT, one of the top review sites says the NVIDIA cards are both faster, and that the 460 is cooler and quieter. NinjaPrime says the ATi cards "own price/performance by a country mile!".

Who to believe?

Well I guess they should believe me since you work for the NV FUD machine and can't post without lying or trying to hide the facts. Interesting how you linked the cheaper, slower GTX 470, which doesn't beat a 6870 to compare cost and then after that linked the top-end highest overclocked top end FTW edition which is much more expensive as if they were the same card. Fail. Even Anandtech took flak for that match-up, which was done at NVs request. Sorry Rollo, even the single one you could cook up was a lie.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by Ninja Prime

Well I guess they should believe me since you work for the NV FUD machine and can't post without lying or trying to hide the facts. Interesting how you linked the cheaper, slower GTX 470, which doesn't beat a 6870 to compare cost and then after that linked the top-end highest overclocked top end FTW edition which is much more expensive as if they were the same card. Fail. Even Anandtech took flak for that match-up, which was done at NVs request. Sorry Rollo, even the single one you could cook up was a lie.

Sorry, but you're still wrong. The GTX470 I linked to is a reference card, and a reference card is what is tested in AnandTech's review, and "several percent faster" according to them.

The "much more expensive" FTW editiion costs $227.55 shipped, which is still much less than the cheapest 6870 on Newegg.

So a person trying to buy a video card today at newegg can buy one of these faster, less expensive NVIDIA cards, or they can buy a slower, more expensive 6870. Even the cheapest out of stock 6870 costs more than either of these cards. And the GTX460 FTW is cooler and quieter than a 6870.

You're right, AnandTech took some "flak" from ATi fans for including that card in their review, because ATi fans didn't want people to know there are less expensive, cooler, quieter, faster alternatives to the 6870. I checked the stock status the day that review went up, the day the explanation of why they included it went up, yesterday, and today. It was always in stock, so apparently that card is a valid alternative for people to purchase.

So where is the "lie"? I may be a "NVIDIA fan" but I've backed what I've said with links to prices and independent tests of performance.

Not to mention the reviews of the 6870 were done with drivers that have been shown to lower image quality to raise performance. You seem to dismiss this, but my guess is that if NVIDIA's drivers were shown to be the same you would be more concerned.

[Ristogod]

I thought my GTX 480s were the best cards I ever owned. I just sold them because I upgraded to GTX 580s. Apparently a lot of people think poorly of the GTX 480 though as I lost $200 a card, each of which were only 3 months old. Mine were even Superclocked cards from EVGA. I think the reputation of those cards is undeserved. Noise and heat were never issues for me. Although I'm sure power in high demand.

[red777star]

HD5870 run hotter in my system then GTX470 cards, so much of that and in term of performance GTX470 owns HD5870 in every game out there, don't want even go into GTX480 and GTX580 playground

[MaXThReAT]

I almsot got a 480. I'm sticking with my 280 for now. Idle at 49c but can hit over 100c anything above and it starts micro pausing.

nekrosoft, where is all your stuff I don't know what driver to run now?

[onmikesline]

lol the 5870s run alot cooler then a 480. the 480 reminds me of the FX days

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by onmikesline

lol the 5870s run alot cooler then a 480. the 480 reminds me of the FX days

In the FX days ATi actually made the best GPU, something they've had trouble with since.

These days they usually come in a distant second, declare something like "profitability" the defining factor, and then give interviews about how they "won".

[onmikesline]

Originally Posted by Rollo

In the FX days ATi actually made the best GPU, something they've had trouble with since.

These days they usually come in a distant second, declare something like "profitability" the defining factor, and then give interviews about how they "won".

true but who really cares anymore, for me im tired of what they put out, im not to sure on the 580s or the 6870s but i speak for the 480s and the 5870s(CF is what im really aiming at here)