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Old 12-15-10, 12:06 PM   #13
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Single card AMD drivers won't give you much grief at all, and quite a few crossfire owners have no to few problems at all.

That said, after running a GTX 480 for a while now I have to vote for Nvidia this time around.

The 570's price point is right, the features are there and the horsepower at stock speeds are there.

Overclockability is just added icing on the cake.

oh...and 3d, should you ever go for it, is just plain sweet.

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Old 12-15-10, 12:20 PM   #14
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First tip: When install drivers *always* do a fresh install. Meaning make certain you fully remove the prior drivers before installing the ATi drivers. Even if you are going to upgrade from a set of Catalyst drivers on your computer to a newer version- FRESH INSTALL... remove the old Catalyst drivers first, then install the new ones. This will spare you many headaches.
I always have uninstalled nvidia drivers and ran driver sweeper in safe mode anyway before re-installing any new drivers .... So im used to doing that.
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Difficult decision!Its a close call.
The 6970 should be equal in performance with the preoverclocked GTX570 you've chosen but the 6970 has more onboard memory so its more futureproof.
If I were you I'd probably go with the GTX570 but mostly because I've had a radeon card for the past 2 years and I'd like a change!
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If I were you I'd probably go with the GTX570 but mostly because I've had a radeon card for the past 2 years and I'd like a change!
This is kind of how i feel, Ive owned Nvidia cards ever since i got my first gaming machine & bought GeForce 4 lol.

I just dont wanna regret the the swap. ... Ill be playing at 1920x1200 res BTW.
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This is kind of how i feel, Ive owned Nvidia cards ever since i got my first gaming machine & bought GeForce 4 lol.

I just dont wanna regret the the swap. ... Ill be playing at 1920x1200 res BTW.
If you want a change go for the 6970.You wont regret it.
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Difficult decision!Its a close call.
The 6970 should be equal in performance with the preoverclocked GTX570 you've chosen but the 6970 has more onboard memory so its more futureproof.
If I were you I'd probably go with the GTX570 but mostly because I've had a radeon card for the past 2 years and I'd like a change!
"Future Proof Graphics Card" is an oxymoron. It doesn't matter what card you purchase it's out-dated in approx. 1 year.

There's no such thing as "Future Proof" unless you're willing to buy new games without the ability to enable all of the graphical features and if that's the case... you might as well buy a GTX260 for much cheaper.
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You need to read a review where the reviewer doesn't arbitrarily decide what settings are "playable" and they actually bench at the same settings. A 6970 does not "trade blows" with a 580, it's trades blows with a 570/480.

The 6970 is another testament to the failure that is VLIW arch. (e.g. Itanium, FX5800)

Yes, a 6970 does have 3X the SPs as a GTX570, strike anyone else as "odd" it's the same level of performance? Compiler efficiency and the inherent limitations with instructions depending on the results of other instructions. AMDs GPUs may be smaller, but in terms of SPs sitting idle, they're VERY inefficient.

In any case, I can't think of a reason why anyone would pay $20 more for a 6970 and lock themselves out of PhysX, CUDA, and 3D Vision.
The 6970 in the HardOCP review was played at the exact same settings as the GTX580. Framerate was within 5 fps difference between the 6970 and 580. Granted, I've yet to read any other reviews so maybe with more titles the performance of the 6970 does change. I don't know. Just going of of [H]'s review, the 6970 does indeed trade blows with the 580. Read it if you don't believe me.

And as to PhysX, CUDA, and 3D Vision... there's aren't selling points for everybody. Not everyone has the money for 3D Vision. I've yet to see a game where PhysX is properly taken advantage of, and CUDA... almost useless for a strictly gaming rig. Maybe the OP has need of these features- maybe not. But you tout them so frequently... it's like you're convinced they're God's gift to mankind.

And you speak of efficiency? Look I'm no engineer but just going off of power consumption and die size the performance that AMD gets compared to nVidia is amazing. Not to mention how inexpensive the cards are. I'd wager AMD is far from selling them at cost. How much more do you really think nVidia could drop their prices before hitting cost? With that large a die-size... they don't have a lot of room to wiggle. More than with the GTX400 series of course... still not nearly as much as AMD. And you're the only person I've met referring to VLIW as innefficient. Everybody else seems to be convinced it's highly efficient. Then again, nVidia isn't using it so it must not be good... right?

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This is kind of how i feel, Ive owned Nvidia cards ever since i got my first gaming machine & bought GeForce 4 lol.

I just dont wanna regret the the swap. ... Ill be playing at 1920x1200 res BTW.
You wont regret the 6970... and considering they are the same price for you I'd got 6970. Just don't expect it to be like nVidia... the drivers are different, you'll have to get used to the different lay out and such. Other than that, you should be very pleased with the 6970.

Well, likely you'd be pleased with either card but for the money I'd say you're getting more with the 6970.
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"Future Proof Graphics Card" is an oxymoron. It doesn't matter what card you purchase it's out-dated in approx. 1 year.

There's no such thing as "Future Proof" unless you're willing to buy new games without the ability to enable all of the graphical features and if that's the case... you might as well buy a GTX260 for much cheaper.
My 5870 is about 14 months old and still handles anything you through at it at max settings.

Future proof depends on how soon companys can make big jumps in performance.Due to 32nm beeing canceled we didnt see that kind of increase in performance.
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Old 12-15-10, 05:03 PM   #21
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I'm in the same boat but also have to suffer the fact I have a CF board so can add 2 6950's into the mix of choices,
Buy one of those now and one later?? or go for the gtx570 or 6970?
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You need to read a review where the reviewer doesn't arbitrarily decide what settings are "playable" and they actually bench at the same settings. A 6970 does not "trade blows" with a 580, it's trades blows with a 570/480.

The 6970 is another testament to the failure that is VLIW arch. (e.g. Itanium, FX5800)

Yes, a 6970 does have 3X the SPs as a GTX570, strike anyone else as "odd" it's the same level of performance? Compiler efficiency and the inherent limitations with instructions depending on the results of other instructions. AMDs GPUs may be smaller, but in terms of SPs sitting idle, they're VERY inefficient.

In any case, I can't think of a reason why anyone would pay $20 more for a 6970 and lock themselves out of PhysX, CUDA, and 3D Vision.
Rollo, your bias is showing. Hard OPC gets their **** right. Your asking us to trust you over them? LOL....
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Old 12-15-10, 05:35 PM   #23
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for me Pysx is meh
CUDA same

But if I were to buy a 3DTV in a year or so would 3D vision or the ATI 3D thing work with it ?

570 and 6970 are the same price here
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for me Pysx is meh
CUDA same

But if I were to buy a 3DTV in a year or so would 3D vision or the ATI 3D thing work with it ?
Hmm... interesting concept. I'd think it'd work fine on either. Don't know for sure though.
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