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Old 12-15-10, 09:16 PM   #37
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Nice!

Now enable DX11 effects on Metro2033 and let me know how that works out for you.
My 5770 runs it fine witout Advanced DoF. Everything thing else in-game maxed @ 1920 x 1200. How would a 5870 do worse?
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Old 12-15-10, 10:04 PM   #38
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My 5770 runs it fine witout Advanced DoF. Everything thing else in-game maxed @ 1920 x 1200. How would a 5870 do worse?
I'm not knocking any card I'm just trying to point out that to say one is more "future proof" than another is just stupidity. In my original statement I said a card is only "future proof" if you're happy buying new games and not enabling all the effects. I used a bad example with Metro2033 as it's really only one effect but I think you just proved my point anyway.

They're both great cards.
Each has advantages and disadvantages when compared to the other.
Neither one is any more "future proof" than the other.

I just got my 2 570s today... I've never owned an ATI card much less the one in question so I can't personally comment on the performance of those cards but I can attest to the fact that for the money these 570s are absolute beasts that run cool and quiet.
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Old 12-15-10, 10:19 PM   #39
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My 5770 runs it fine witout Advanced DoF. Everything thing else in-game maxed @ 1920 x 1200. How would a 5870 do worse?
UHH.. your definition of run might be a little off... <30fps isn't really considered playable.
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Old 12-15-10, 10:32 PM   #40
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Name one card from nVidia that is sub $400 that'll offer smooth performance accross three monitors with only one card.

Name one card from nVidia that offers something comparable to MLAA.

Name one card from nVidia, sub $400, that has dual BIOS.

And name one card from nVidia, sub $400 that has the TDP management found on the 6900s.

Stop being such a dumb ass acting like AMD's cards lack features.
1. Link me to some benches showing one 6970 running three monitors well?

2. MLAA? You mean that hacky AA that destroys HUDs?

3. You seriously consider dual bios a feature worth money?

4. TDP management? LOL

Redeemed, that is the lamest set of "features" I have ever seen. What is next? A remote control for the fan called "Astro Thermal Management"? The features NVIDIA cards offer actually dramatically change the gaming experience for the better.

I'll buy EyeFinity being nice, but I bet you still want two to run modern games at 1080P spanned.
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Old 12-15-10, 11:37 PM   #41
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1. Link me to some benches showing one 6970 running three monitors well?

2. MLAA? You mean that hacky AA that destroys HUDs?

3. You seriously consider dual bios a feature worth money?

4. TDP management? LOL

Redeemed, that is the lamest set of "features" I have ever seen. What is next? A remote control for the fan called "Astro Thermal Management"? The features NVIDIA cards offer actually dramatically change the gaming experience for the better.

I'll buy EyeFinity being nice, but I bet you still want two to run modern games at 1080P spanned.
Heres a lamer one:

1: Physx

2: 3D gimmick vision

3: "average TDP 244 watts!" Reality, 350 watts.

4: $530 price tag, less performance for more money than a more than year old 5970!

5: Half rate DP!... which still manages to be less than the competition at quarter rate.

6: 5-10% faster... 50% more money.

Cool story bro.
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Old 12-16-10, 12:31 AM   #42
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Nice!

Now enable DX11 effects on Metro2033 and let me know how that works out for you.
Works just fine( over 30fps)with max settings at 1920x1080.
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Old 12-16-10, 12:32 AM   #43
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Heres a lamer one:

1: Physx

2: 3D gimmick vision

3: "average TDP 244 watts!" Reality, 350 watts.

4: $530 price tag, less performance for more money than a more than year old 5970!

5: Half rate DP!... which still manages to be less than the competition at quarter rate.

6: 5-10% faster... 50% more money.

Cool story bro.
Hey rollo, if needed a card that would power three monitors in games without use of sli, which nvidia card could do so? This card has to fit within the power envelope of a 500w psu as well. Swiff!
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Old 12-16-10, 01:17 AM   #44
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tRollo been raeped.

In his defense, though- 3DVision is awesome- I wish I had the money to afford a 3 monitor 3D setup. Man that'd add a whole new level to games. I'm sure even aged titles like HL1 would look amazing on such a setup.

And PhysX *can* be huge, if a form of it is implemented on the next gen consoles. Furthermore nVidia does own the fastest single-GPU card available. And, honestly, I do prefer nVidia's drivers over ATi's. Though Catalyst is far from a hassle.

My point, I'm not trying to bash any company. But Rollo's blantant bias should be obvious. Rollo, ATi's features are hardly as poor as you imply. nVidia has solid offerings, as does ATi.

If it weren't for EyeFinity you'd not have 3D Surround. You bash and belittle ATi's cards as if they were comparable to a Cirrus Logic 2D PCI VGA. Honestly it boils down to personal preference. Both companies have incredible offerings. ATi' happens to own the priceerformance segment. nVidia dominates in raw power. Both companies have incredible features with their products.
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Old 12-16-10, 02:41 AM   #45
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Ok heres my dilemma ... Just after Christmas im gonna be upgrading my GFX card. Not sure what to get.

Asus ATI Radeon HD 6970 2048MB GDDR5 329.99 inc VAT

Or

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 SuperClocked 1280MB GDDR5 329.99 inc VAT

Both the same price but the 6970 has more on-board memory, Faster memory clock speeds, Faster clock core & over three times the Stream Processors.

Now i aint a fan boy so its all about pure bang for buck here.

In opinion what of the two has more raw power?
According to the Rage3d review, that Superclocked version of the GTX570 would have more raw power.
http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/.../index.php?p=8
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Old 12-16-10, 03:17 AM   #46
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Heres a lamer one:

1: Physx

2: 3D gimmick vision

3: "average TDP 244 watts!" Reality, 350 watts.

4: $530 price tag, less performance for more money than a more than year old 5970!

5: Half rate DP!... which still manages to be less than the competition at quarter rate.

6: 5-10% faster... 50% more money.

Cool story bro.
3D vision is far from a gimmick. I bet you've never even seen it let alone played with it. You criticize him for being an Nvidia fan-boy when you are just as bad an ATI Fan-boy.
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3D vision is far from a gimmick. I bet you've never even seen it let alone played with it. You criticize him for being an Nvidia fan-boy when you are just as bad an ATI Fan-boy.
PhysX and 3d Vision are features that many people desire, that raise the level of immersion greatly in games. I can link to reviews and videos on YouTube that support this, there are now "MLAA revolutionizes gaming!" articles. (only posts about the problems with it on forums)

The only thing AMD has that is comparable is EyeFinity, which is great in it's 3 panel form. I just have serious doubts a single 6970 can drive three 1080P monitors adequately on modern games. I also think I'd rather have two NVIDIA GPUs to drive three panels because they could be 120Hz panels for 3d, and I could have PhysX effects with my 3 panels to raise the immersion in the game. (and ATi has their Display Port limitations as well)

Bios switch? The answer to the question no one outside the AMD RMA department asked. Not many people flash bioses as they can OC cards without doing so.

TDP management? I live in America where my electricity costs eight cents a KWh. So every ten hours I game on a card that uses 100W more than another card, I spend eight cents. Every 1000 hours costs eight bucks. Errr...oh noes? Eight whole bucks! The cost of the tip at lunch or a haircut, pocket change. And yet for years now ATi fans the world over yell about a couple watts of electricity like it was the last straw that put them living in a van down by the river.

The AMD feature set IS weak comparatively. There's nothing fan boy about it, it's just a fact.
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Lets not make a decision buying thread into an endless flamewar.We have enough of those.
Both companies have great cards and each company has it pros and cons.
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