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Old 04-13-11, 09:01 AM   #13
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I got a bit of a lecture as well. I don't care if it doesn't matter where the wiring is overhead or underground. I was simply sharing a story of mine.

My neighborhood was built in the early 90's. Everything is underground, there are no telephone poles or cable lines running to people's homes above ground. There are utility boxes for power, cable and telcom all over and everything runs underground to each home. /shrugs
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Old 04-13-11, 10:35 AM   #14
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I got a bit of a lecture as well. I don't care if it doesn't matter where the wiring is overhead or underground. I was simply sharing a story of mine.
What lecture? You had damage because wires - overhead or underground - must have protection where those wires enter a building. It is simply a fact. Or do facts insult people?

Madpistol had damage because he had no protection. His protector was so grossly undersized as to even fail. Its manufacturer did not even claim protection. Informed homeowners, instead, earth one 'whole house' protector. To protect power strip protectors from surge damage. And protect all other appliances.

All appliances constain protection. A surge too tiny to damage most appliances (dishwasher, air conditioner, TV, computers, furnace, GFCIs, door bell) easily damaged a power strip protector? Of course. Grossly undersized protectors fail even on surges too tiny to damage most appliances. That failure promotes sales.

A protector that fails means no protection. It disconnected. Left that surge connected to appliances. His protector disconnected as fast as possible to not create a house fire. Sometimes a grossly undersized protector does not disconnect fast enough. Then scary pictures result:
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol entitled "Surge Protector Fires"
http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/les...tectorfire.htm
http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339

Roadhog had a surge. Those protectors also did no protection. Of course. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to protect from destructive surges. Are profit centers promoted to protect from surges that typically are not destructive. May fail - disconnect as fast as possible. Leave appliances to protect themselves.

Protection means every incoming wire (overhead or underground) must be connected to protection where it enters the building. Those scary pictures need not happen. An effective protector does not fail during any surge - even during a direct lightning strike. Then no appliances are damaged. Why does this insult anyone?
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Old 04-13-11, 07:54 PM   #15
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I got my new router today. I took the chance to update it to a modern Gigabit w/ wireless N capabilities. The last one lasted 3 years, so I was really happy with it. Here's a link to the new one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833127215

It got good reviews, and it's an updated version of the DGL-4300 that I had before.

It's good to be back. Next time a thunder storm comes through, everything is getting unplugged. I refuse to let this happen again.

And thanks westom. You've been completely useless throughout this thread. As long as you feel better about yourself, I guess that's all that matters.
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Old 04-14-11, 08:49 AM   #16
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Just the coax from the wall.
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Old 04-14-11, 10:30 AM   #17
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What lecture? You had damage because wires - overhead or underground - must have protection where those wires enter a building. It is simply a fact. Or do facts insult people?

Madpistol had damage because he had no protection. His protector was so grossly undersized as to even fail. Its manufacturer did not even claim protection. Informed homeowners, instead, earth one 'whole house' protector. To protect power strip protectors from surge damage. And protect all other appliances.

All appliances constain protection. A surge too tiny to damage most appliances (dishwasher, air conditioner, TV, computers, furnace, GFCIs, door bell) easily damaged a power strip protector? Of course. Grossly undersized protectors fail even on surges too tiny to damage most appliances. That failure promotes sales.

A protector that fails means no protection. It disconnected. Left that surge connected to appliances. His protector disconnected as fast as possible to not create a house fire. Sometimes a grossly undersized protector does not disconnect fast enough. Then scary pictures result:
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol entitled "Surge Protector Fires"
http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/les...tectorfire.htm
http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339

Roadhog had a surge. Those protectors also did no protection. Of course. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to protect from destructive surges. Are profit centers promoted to protect from surges that typically are not destructive. May fail - disconnect as fast as possible. Leave appliances to protect themselves.

Protection means every incoming wire (overhead or underground) must be connected to protection where it enters the building. Those scary pictures need not happen. An effective protector does not fail during any surge - even during a direct lightning strike. Then no appliances are damaged. Why does this insult anyone?
You didn't insult me, you're missing the point. I don't give a crap about how it happened. It was a story on a gaming site. **** happens.

Imagine you're at a party telling a generic story of what happened to your car one day. Here comes Mr. Serious Car mechanic saying you should have checked this and that under the hood because that can lead to blah blah blah. See what I mean?

It's a story, I wasn't looking for an explanation.
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Old 04-14-11, 12:15 PM   #18
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You didn't have your router on the surge protector? Or the Ethernet port filtered through it?

I have a Monster Green Power Surge Protector for my PC, which I got for around $60 when it was new. It's not about $40 on Amazon. Works great and shuts off standby power (if you enable the feature)

4220 Joule rating

http://www.amazon.com/Monster-PowerC...801399&sr=8-13

I've been through several lightning storms, which burned out a few light bulbs in my room, but my computer products were fine.
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Old 04-14-11, 06:03 PM   #19
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You didn't insult me, you're missing the point. I don't give a crap about how it happened. It was a story on a gaming site. **** happens.
**** only happens when humans do not learn from their mistakes. Do not give a crap about how it happened. Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive that history.

Demonstrated is science well learned and understood even 100 years ago. Defined in a technical discussion - not in a booze party.

AngelGraves13 demonstrates how easily myths get promoted; reality is ignored. Somehow 1400 and never more than 2820 joules will stop and absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? Of course not. It does not even claim to protect from typically destructive surges. But propaganda is so powerful that numbers will be ignored. Numbers even create anger among some most easily manipulated by advertising.

A superior solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. But is implemented only if a layman learns. Gives a crap why damage happens. You are missing the point. Damage to the OPs appliances existed because he did not learn from over 100 years of history and science. (He now gets angry rather than learn.) That plug-in protector did no protection. And may have even made damage easier.
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Old 04-14-11, 06:24 PM   #20
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Best thing to do in a thunderstorm or lighting storm is to turn everything off. That's the best protection.

I've never seen a severe surge like that, but then again I live in Los Angeles where 320 days out of the year are clear skies.

And apparently I already have a Whole House Protector.
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Old 04-14-11, 11:55 PM   #21
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**** only happens when humans do not learn from their mistakes. Do not give a crap about how it happened. Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive that history.

Demonstrated is science well learned and understood even 100 years ago. Defined in a technical discussion - not in a booze party.

AngelGraves13 demonstrates how easily myths get promoted; reality is ignored. Somehow 1400 and never more than 2820 joules will stop and absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? Of course not. It does not even claim to protect from typically destructive surges. But propaganda is so powerful that numbers will be ignored. Numbers even create anger among some most easily manipulated by advertising.

A superior solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. But is implemented only if a layman learns. Gives a crap why damage happens. You are missing the point. Damage to the OPs appliances existed because he did not learn from over 100 years of history and science. (He now gets angry rather than learn.) That plug-in protector did no protection. And may have even made damage easier.
I'm going to say this as politely as I can.

**** off. You have no right to say that to me, good sir. If you'd like, I can school you on the in's and out's of music theory. That's at least 500 years of history, and without it, our culture would not have developed into the wonderful modern world that we know of today where electricity is needed in virtually all walks of life.

I guess that makes you the moron, does it not?

The reason I'm angry is because you're attacking me. You decide that since you're so right and I'm so wrong that you're going to go on a crusade to prove just how much of a smart ass you are. That makes you nothing but a ****ing troll. Go crawl back into your cave and work on making a fire. Try not to burn yourself. After all, fire is hot.
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After all, fire is hot.
I'm hot too. Sexy me.
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