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Old 03-20-11, 04:54 PM   #61
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Looks awesome DB. I can't believe some asshole did that.
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Old 03-20-11, 05:24 PM   #62
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I'm amazed you didn't get thermal shutdown with the fans still on considering how much of a pile of **** that CPU waterblock is.
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Old 03-21-11, 01:26 AM   #63
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And the current Sandy Bridge platform only has one advantage: a native SATA 3 controller.
Plus maybe the 8GB module support.

Otherwise it's a downgrade from a 1366 system. It only brought last years high end performance to lower price segments.
No, this I don't agree with. The K series chips make all the quad core 1366 chips shake in their boots. There's no comparison, in fact. 2500K or 2600K simply stomp any non-6 core 1366 chip, making your statement a vast over-generalization. I hit 5Ghz with a low grade liquid cooler, this chip still has headroom left in it.

In fact, even 6 core chips lose as many tests as they win against these quad cores. That is NOT last year's performance. There were no quad cores that perform like these do last year, you made an inaccurate assertion.
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Old 03-21-11, 03:40 AM   #64
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No, this I don't agree with. The K series chips make all the quad core 1366 chips shake in their boots. There's no comparison, in fact. 2500K or 2600K simply stomp any non-6 core 1366 chip, making your statement a vast over-generalization. I hit 5Ghz with a low grade liquid cooler, this chip still has headroom left in it.

In fact, even 6 core chips lose as many tests as they win against these quad cores. That is NOT last year's performance. There were no quad cores that perform like these do last year, you made an inaccurate assertion.
How many gpu's can you use @ 16x.
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Old 04-19-11, 12:02 PM   #65
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Another build

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Old 04-19-11, 12:13 PM   #66
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Lookin' good gastelllo!

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Old 04-19-11, 12:14 PM   #67
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That's a clean setup Gastello.
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Old 04-21-11, 11:25 AM   #68
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How many gpu's can you use @ 16x.
Doesn't matter, already been shown in links in other threads where X58 loses it's butt to P67+NF200 at 3 top end GPUs in every single test, LOL. Sorry, it's a done subject, X58 is done for in the gaming world. Unless you incorrectly assume we're using a full 8x of PCIe 2.0? Is somebody confused with PCIe 1.0 and it's limitations perhaps? PCIe 2.0 8x = PCIe 1.0 16x bandwidth. And PCIe 1.0 x16 is still more then any card on the market needs, not seen a single test anywhere showing the PCIe 1.0 x16 bus as being saturated. At best, there's a frame or two difference at triple monitor resolutions, if even that.
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Old 04-21-11, 11:32 AM   #69
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...fire,2910.html

I don't care how biased for Intel that anybody claims Tom is, this isn't about Intel versus anybody else. This is a pure Intel versus Intel article, and it would be in Intel's interest if Tom's found X58 winning so more EE+X58's could be sold until s2011 hits. Tom's was brutally honest, and not favorably towards X58, sorry, game over. I loved this quote at the end:

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While the NF200 doesnít completely solve the dearth of PCIe lanes available on LGA 1155 platforms, its ability to send identical data to multiple cards makes it perfect for SLI and CrossFire. That benefit, when combined with the Sandy Bridge processorís superior performance and overclocking capabilities, slams the lid on the coffin for X58 gaming.
Slams the lid on the coffin for X58 gaming, nice quote. In fact, I might make it sig worthy.

Edit: And if there's ANY question, both triple CrossfireX and triple SLI are tested with the top single GPU cards from AMD and Nvidia. Also, once the resolution exceeds these test resolutions, the PCIe bus isn't the bottleneck, the GPUs and frame buffer are the PURE bottleneck, nothing else. There's no arguing that point. In fact, Once you start hitting triple monitor resolution, the GPUs are working full tilt just to keep up with the resolutions demands, meaning WAY lower frame rates and lower bus transfer rates to sync data. This won't change for 2 dual GPU cards either, since P67+NF200 will happily do x16 + x16 for 2 cards, and x16 PCIe 2.0 is plenty for a dual GPU card to talk to another on the same speed bus.

Simple fact: Until each individual GPU is at least 3x as powerful as a modern GF110 in GTX 580 form, we won't be using up a full x16's bandwidth for 2.0, and by the time we get CLOSE to doing so, we'll be well into PCIe 3.0 at every level already.

Clarification: This all ONLY applies to gaming usage of X58 versus P67. When it comes to massive compute loads, X58's bandwidth becomes essential. Gaming doesn't touch what X58 can do, it doesn't even load up the PCIe bus enough to show a difference over P67. Ultra parallel GPGPU very likely would show X58's true power nicely.
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Old 04-21-11, 04:52 PM   #70
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Yeah PCIe x8 is fine for gaming. When I had the 3 580s and the Xonar installed, all 4 PCIe x16 slots were running at x8 and I didn't notice any difference.
Thank you! Exactly my point. Now things would certainly be different if you were running a ton of massively parallel GPGPU processing in the form of a Folding@Home farm-in-a-box or something similarly "workstationy". X58 is and will remain king of massive GPGPU loads until X79 and the accompanying SB-E chips. I won't diss on X58 when workstation style loads start coming into play. P67 is good, but nothing with a single socket still touches a beefed up X58, multi-RAID monster box.

Edit: May have theorized a scenario where X58 could win in multi screen gaming. At least 6 monitors would be needed, and AMD and/or Nvidia enable 5+ GPU scaling, and one fills 4 8x PCIe slots with dual GPU cards (total of 8 GPUs in system). Intel's bus management is pretty famous, and with that many GPUs trying to talk to each other, I'd put more faith in Intel's bus synching then Nvidia's.
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But I'm not sure why you're making such a big deal about it. Those benchmarks show that the systems perform nearly identical. Those small differences are mainly because of CPU architecture differences. Both the 2008 and the 2011 CPUs are clocked at 4GHz and Intel definitely improved their CPUs in 3 years.

The chipset or PCIe inteface has nothing to do with it. There's a three year difference between the CPUs!
All this test shows is how useless Tom's reviews are
Gulftown isn't a 2008 CPU. And my point, which is one I've had to argue pretty intensely with several X58 fans, is that X58 isn't the first choice they still think it is for gaming.
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Old 04-22-11, 10:47 AM   #72
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Tom's used an old 920 Bloomfield CPU though. But I doubt that Gulftown, except for the EEs, would make a difference here because the differences are already neglectable.
Ah, yup, you are correct. And makes much more sense, as Tom's was removing the CPU itself as the factor as much as they could by using the same core count for both since core count isn't a primary game performance determiner. That makes for a much BETTER and cleaner comparison, actually. This leaves no doubt, do NOT buy X58 for a gaming rig now. There is nothing superior about it for gaming purposes. For workstation use, it's king of the single sockets still, but leave well enough alone if you're primarily a gamer.

While your not the main debater of this point, I haven't really been making this point for your sake, slaWter, as I don't remember ever arguing this point with you in the past. X58 versus P67 as a modern gaming purchase has caused some debate from some here in this forum who INSISTS X58 is the preferred multi-GPU gaming platform still, which is outdated info and untrue. In fact, a few on this very forum are still trying to recommend X58 over P67 to gamers. That would be terrible advise, and a few here are giving just that. The other confusion they seem to have is that they think I'm trying to somehow say P67+NF200 is more powerful then X58, when I'm saying nothing of the sort. I'm simply saying P67+NF200 is more efficient at gaming type work loads, not wasting nearly as many resources by leaving them idle. But there's no question that X58 has more resources to throw at stuff, it's just overkill to the point of waste for gaming is all.

It's time for them to wake up and smell the coffee. X58 is dead end for gamers, don't buy it unless you get a killer deal or have major workstation/artificial benchmark needs over gaming needs.
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