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Old 07-17-11, 02:53 PM   #1
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Default AMD claims next-gen Xbox will do Avatar-quality graphics

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AMD: Xbox 720 graphics will look like Avatar
Daniel Landis, Game News Examiner
July 16, 2011

Technology company AMD, who supplied the graphics hardware for the
Xbox 360, claims that the next Xbox will be capable of the level of
graphical detail seen in James Cameron's movie Avatar. Even on PC,
that kind of technology just isn't here yet, but AMD claims the Xbox
720 will launch with it.


While AMD would not confirm they were actually working on the 360's
successor, director of ISV relationships at AMD, Neal Robison, stated
that gamers have a lot to excited about.

Robison also mentioned that the A.I. and physics capabilities of the
next-gen hardware will allow for every pedestrian in a game such as
Grand Theft Auto or Saints Row to have a totally individual mentality,
meaning when you shoot a gun or run someone over they don't all just
do the same thing. There will be no more mob mentality, where
everyone just screams and runs away; every NPC will actually be an
individual character.

Whoa.

Source: August issue of OXM (U.S.)
http://www.examiner.com/game-news-in...#ixzz1SMcwzkyy
http://www.computerandvideogames.com...ke-avatar-amd/



I do not for one second believe that. I recall Seamus Blackley said the original Xbox would provide graphics like Toy Story.
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"One of the basic premises of the Xbox is to put the power in the hands of the artist," Blackley said, which is why Xbox developers "are achieving a level of visual detail you really get in 'Toy Story.'"
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1040-250632.html

10 years later we're still not even there [at Toy Story level] with high-end PC cards that have 10x-20x the graphics performance of current-gen Xbox 360 and PlayStation3 consoles. So there is no possible way that Xbox3 or PS4 will possibly get close to Avatar graphics. Maybe try thinking, perhaps, 3 more console generations from now with the Xbox5 around 2025-2030, LOL.
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Old 07-17-11, 03:15 PM   #2
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Old 07-17-11, 03:27 PM   #3
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Default Re: AMD claims next-gen Xbox will do Avatar-quality graphics

and without charging $100 per game, how will game devs balance return on their investments with such high levels of detail?
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Old 07-17-11, 05:08 PM   #4
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This is total nonsense. The computers that created Avatar couldn't deliver those type of graphics in real time. They cost a heck of a lot more, and are are more sophisticated in terms of capabilities (processor, graphics, memory, bandwidth, etc.), than a $300+ toy yet the toy is going to deliver those graphics in real time? Whatever.

I suppose this could be some sort of a gimmick. Maybe those graphics can be done on the Xbox720 but just not in real time. Sort of like how some people claim the PC can do photo quality graphics the rub being it just can't do them in real time so we still have... video game graphics.

As the abilities of each individual in a crowd, that again depends. For an example, if there are only 5 people in a crowd then sure, those claims are correct.
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Technically it can do Avatar-quality graphics today...





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Default Re: AMD claims next-gen Xbox will do Avatar-quality graphics

LOL

We've seen the next gen engines from Unreal, it looks good, but not THAT good. Given the current console market share 3.0 has, I think it's safe to use it as a benchmark.
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Besides, in order to do Avatar type graphics, there will have to be Ray Tracing involved. Between the processing and bandwidth involved for such a thing, it's not going to happen on the Xbox720. The next Xbox perhaps, but not this one.

Unless we are looking at a freak system with 12 CPU cores, Crossfire, and perhaps several AMD GPUs used in some sort of OpenCL capacity for mega processing power. I still doubt that would work though...
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Besides, in order to do Avatar type graphics, there will have to be Ray Tracing involved. Between the the processing and bandwidth involved for such a thing, tt's not going to happen on the Xbox720. The next Xbox perhaps, but not this one.
Sure it will, because it's only going to be 10 years before we see another console.
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You know, I do seem to recall reading something where it appeared the next Xbox wasn't going to come out prior to 2015. PS4 is rumored to appear next year but that doesn't mean the Xbox has to come out as well.
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lol I think what they meant was "1080p" .... That's a pretty lofty goal considering the capabilities of current consoles
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if they could do it, we'd already be seeing it on the PC.
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Besides, in order to do Avatar type graphics, there will have to be Ray Tracing involved. Between the processing and bandwidth involved for such a thing, it's not going to happen on the Xbox720. The next Xbox perhaps, but not this one.
Raytracing was not used for everything, mainly for a pre-processing step when calculating GI into pointcloud/spherical harmonics and refraction/reflection. (pre-processing pass used GPUs for tracing)
Actual rendering was done with prman. (pixars renderman a micropolygon rasterizer)

First problem in rendering assets from Avatar would be memory usage, texture maps for each character were tens of GB.
Rendering character also would need full character rigging from the movie which included muscle and flesh simulations and so on.

All this woud be before any rendering can be done..
So no we will not be seeing the quality with next gen machines, not even close.

If the GPU in nextbox is DX12/SM6 GPU we will see some amazing things though.
I fully expect things like this voxel conetracing for GI will be common place in next generation.
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