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Old 07-18-11, 10:03 AM   #13
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I do pretty muc expect the next Xbox to support DirectX12 / Shader Model 6.0, but if not then something inbetween DX11/SM5.0 and DX12/SM6.0, like how Xbox 360 was beyond DX9/SM3.0. I think a more realistic target for real-time games would be for them to look like PS2/Xbox era pre-rendered CG intros & cutscenes. Avatar is simply far too cutting edge.
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Old 07-18-11, 10:08 AM   #14
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Besides, in order to do Avatar type graphics, there will have to be Ray Tracing involved. Between the processing and bandwidth involved for such a thing, it's not going to happen on the Xbox720. The next Xbox perhaps, but not this one.
So you mean the fourth-gen Xbox around say perhaps 2020, not the upcoming one. Even by 2020+, which would be 10+ years after Avatar came out, it still might be too difficult to pull off in real-time. We still haven't reached Toy Story level graphics in realtime and that movie came out in the mid 1990s.
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Old 07-18-11, 11:54 AM   #15
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They have been saying this **** for years and for almost every damn console since the early 90's. Remember the Nintendo 64 hype and the images they had in game mags ? Real time CGI like Jurassic Park etc .. Same BS different year. Consumers are much smarter these days but obviously marketing people have not picked up on that. You want to tout hardware tell us 1080p with heavy AA and 60fps are targets with visuals along the line of Crysis WarHead. That is more realistic for a $300.00 machine coming in a year or so.
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Old 07-18-11, 12:46 PM   #16
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So you mean the fourth-gen Xbox around say perhaps 2020, not the upcoming one. Even by 2020+, which would be 10+ years after Avatar came out, it still might be too difficult to pull off in real-time. We still haven't reached Toy Story level graphics in realtime and that movie came out in the mid 1990s.
Yeah, you are right.

I'll point out it will be possible to have Raytracing without necessarily achieving ::insert name of favorite CGI movie here:: type graphics as Raytracing is just a part of the entire image. Still, you've got a good point: those type of graphics won't be available in the 2nd generation consoles either regardless if Raytracing is there or not.
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Old 07-18-11, 02:22 PM   #17
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if they could do it, we'd already be seeing it on the PC.
I thought the PC was just being held back by console ports...

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Old 07-18-11, 02:25 PM   #18
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For AAA titles I would say that is troof, not trolling. Maybe BF3 will break that trend.
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They have been saying this **** for years and for almost every damn console since the early 90's. Remember the Nintendo 64 hype and the images they had in game mags ? Real time CGI like Jurassic Park etc .. Same BS different year. Consumers are much smarter these days but obviously marketing people have not picked up on that. You want to tout hardware tell us 1080p with heavy AA and 60fps are targets with visuals along the line of Crysis WarHead. That is more realistic for a $300.00 machine coming in a year or so.
This. I think most people are over the whole graphics thing anyway, therefore everyone would buy a PC right? To me, there's more to a game besides "zOMG grapHiXXX!!!!111eleven". What about the story, characters, gameplay, etc? It's been a long time since a game with a decent story line has came out, i.e. HL2. Jusssayin.
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I thought the PC was just being held back by console ports...

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This. I think most people are over the whole graphics thing anyway, therefore everyone would buy a PC right? To me, there's more to a game besides "zOMG grapHiXXX!!!!111eleven". What about the story, characters, gameplay, etc? It's been a long time since a game with a decent story line has came out, i.e. HL2. Jusssayin.
HL3 is coming out soon
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HL3 is coming out soon
Yes, it will release next summer . . . Valve time . . .
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I have a feeling that this next generation of consoles will concentrate on things like Tessellation a lot more. therefore, a lot of the "smoothness" we see in CGI will become real.

It could happen, and eventually, it will.
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if they could do it, we'd already be seeing it on the PC.
This is true, while maybe not in games, but tech demos and sync benchmarks at least.

Also I mentioned the new Unreal Engine which is geared towards the next gen consoles. It's running fine on a single 580GTX right now.
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