Can't beat 'em, sue 'em - Page 2

Lfctony · 07-19-11, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by six_storm

I don't want to customize anymore, I don't want to "tinker" and root and jailbreak. I just want my phone to work like it should, quickly and smoothly.

It works quickly and smoothly even if you do jailbreak, as long as you don't keep installing crap on it... Even if only to install SBSettings. The functionality the tweak offers should have been there from day one in the OS...

**Rakeesh** · 07-19-11, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by six_storm

Apple makes some fine hardware, so why not keep doing what you do best?

Technically Apple doesn't really make the hardware, foxconn and samsung do.

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Originally Posted by six_storm

As for the lawsuit, I think Apple can get a little overkill with this kind of stuff. But I'm sure that it won't affect either side that much in the end.

Yeah it will. I don't think apple actually believes they'll prevent HTC from importing phones. However they do believe they can put such a financial burden on HTC, that they buckle under legal pressure. It wouldn't be the first time apple has done this. It's a really dirty tactic but people out there think apple is this wonderful company that is full of marshmallow dreams and gumdrop smiles.

Lfctony · 07-19-11, 03:24 AM

Jailbreak Innovation: Jailbreakers first, then Apple follows...

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/16/team-...reak-benefits/

Rakeesh. Apple is a company. Profit is their main concern. They use what they can to maximise it. Its as if they're the only ones... Nokia has sued everyone for God's sake. I don't see people hating them...

**Rakeesh** · 07-19-11, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lfctony

Jailbreak Innovation: Jailbreakers first, then Apple follows...

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/16/team-...reak-benefits/

Rakeesh. Apple is a company. Profit is their main concern. They use what they can to maximise it. Its as if they're the only ones... Nokia has sued everyone for God's sake. I don't see people hating them...

I'm not trying to imply that they're the only ones, rather that apple fans tend to look at apple as this underdog company that gets picked on by the likes of say, microsoft, when in fact the opposite tends to be true.

BTW that pic is a bit inaccurate, I know that for example, HTC and Samsung both have countersued apple as a means of offensive security.

EDIT: lol, just realized from that article, that apple stole androids notification system in iOS 5.

six_storm · 07-19-11, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lfctony

It works quickly and smoothly even if you do jailbreak, as long as you don't keep installing crap on it... Even if only to install SBSettings. The functionality the tweak offers should have been there from day one in the OS...

I don't have an iPhone (yet) so I can't say much on SBSettings. And yes, iOS is a very fast and smooth OS, actually the fastest and smoothest IMO.

**bacon12** · 07-19-11, 08:06 AM

Um I disagree, WM7>iOS.

Imagine how much better windows 7 would be if there were only a handful of computers available that MS had to optimize the os for.

six_storm · 07-19-11, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bacon12

Um I disagree, WM7>iOS.

Imagine how much better windows 7 would be if there were only a handful of computers available that MS had to optimize the os for.

WM7 = no 3rd party apps, no games. iOS has the best selection IMO.

I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer. It would be better tweaked and optimized.

07-19-11, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

You forgot the iPad and iPad2, but you also should include Android tablets too.

But you bring up a point I've always wondered about.

Why doesn't Apple ditch the hardware, and just sell the OS? They would make a killing, and possibly surpass MS. I think the hardware is holding back Apple.

1 reason: Stability.

By doing the hardware themselves they control stability. They don't have to worry about drivers, etc.

ViN86 · 07-19-11, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by six_storm

Apple makes some fine hardware, so why not keep doing what you do best? I think the iPhone 4 is the best looking/feeling phone I've ever used. Thin, light and has an awesome screen. Apple knows they make some of the world's best devices so why would they Not limit their OS on their hardware?

I currently have my beef with Android and I honestly think the whole platform is sloppy, not to mention the lack of apps. I've yet to use an Android device that is real smooth, it's always laggy in some form or fashion (laggy keyboard, laggy web browsing, etc). Also I hate that Google and other companies still support such a wide range of versions. Why? Why not standardize across the board? This might not matter to the enthusiast that roots, but what about the average joes? What about the people who just want a phone that works and operates smoothly?

This is the phone that I want to own and honestly, iPhone/iOS is the only phone that fits the bill. I don't want to customize anymore, I don't want to "tinker" and root and jailbreak. I just want my phone to work like it should, quickly and smoothly.

As for the lawsuit, I think Apple can get a little overkill with this kind of stuff. But I'm sure that it won't affect either side that much in the end.

That's fine. I have used both iOS and Android, and honestly iOS feels like it has kid gloves on when dealing with the user. I can't browse my files, I can't install 3rd party software. The devices are run like 1930's Germany. I personally don't want to sacrifice freedom for "smoothness", which is subjective. My Droid X is very smooth and I can actually do what I want to do with the device, instead of what the developer allows me to.

Deal breakers on iOS:

All apps MUST come from app store
Can't use a different keyboard (swype, swiftkey)
Not true multitasking
No widgets
Changing settings takes 10 menus (e.g. SBSettings is required)
No file management on the device (need iTunes)
iTunes (super bloat)

**bacon12** · 07-19-11, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by six_storm

WM7 = no 3rd party apps, no games. iOS has the best selection IMO.

I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer. It would be better tweaked and optimized.

I agree on everything but maybe games. Of course limiting hardware = better os optimization. But you don't have a choice of hardware. Unless you count more storage, a different color, or the pro version with a faster cpu and memory as a choice.

ViN86 · 07-19-11, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by six_storm

I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer

No offense, but that's complete bull****.

**zoomy942** · 07-19-11, 12:47 PM

I'm using a D1 right now and I like being able to do whatever I want on my device. For exampl,e a stock D1 gets about 12 hours battery life, but with what I've done, ig et around 2 days or so. thats only a small example.

ios is easy, sure. but controlled.

windows phone 7 sure has my attention. that HTC Trophy comes down in price a little i might jump on it.

07-19-11, 03:24 AM	#15
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07-19-11, 08:06 AM	#18
bacon12 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,536	Re: Can't beat 'em, sue 'em Um I disagree, WM7>iOS. Imagine how much better windows 7 would be if there were only a handful of computers available that MS had to optimize the os for.

07-19-11, 12:47 PM	#24
zoomy942 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bellevue, ID Posts: 5,330	Re: Can't beat 'em, sue 'em I'm using a D1 right now and I like being able to do whatever I want on my device. For exampl,e a stock D1 gets about 12 hours battery life, but with what I've done, ig et around 2 days or so. thats only a small example. ios is easy, sure. but controlled. windows phone 7 sure has my attention. that HTC Trophy comes down in price a little i might jump on it.