Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling - Page 2

**Rakeesh** · 09-14-11, 01:45 AM

I have mixed feelings about the metro UI, but it looks like they melded it pretty well with regular keyboard/mouse usage in addition to touch. I still don't think I'll ever leave android on mobile devices though.

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Originally Posted by Sean_W

Microsoft failed in the phone market and now they're throwing their UI onto desktops. Neat trick to get you use to their devices.

Yeah so go back to linux which has failed even worse on the desktop. The intent is that microsoft basically doesn't have to compete with itself by essentially writing 3 different operating systems that might be competing for the same users. So microsoft simply made a decision over a year ago, that they wanted to create one OS that would be suitable for all platforms.

As part of that goal, they wanted one common UI and one common kernel. This is why you see (from the video) that microsoft has drastically reduced the cpu/memory footprint as well as reduced the crap out of the power consumption and made boot times nearly instant. That is a huge win for the desktop/laptop space as well.

You effectively get the best of both worlds regardless of the hardware you are using, which is nice.

Capt. Picard · 09-14-11, 02:50 AM

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-...ft-tablet.html

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Software savants unable to attend BUILD will be able to download developer copies of Windows 8 at dev.windows.com beginning at 0300 GMT on Wednesday.

Pardon my stupidity but what is a developer copy. Is that the Alpha version or even earlier than that.

**mullet** · 09-14-11, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by slaWter

Well MS complained about the slow adoption of Vista and 7 in the enterprise segment. I'd say Windows 8 will break the record for slowest adoption.

This fancy touch interface is nice for a tablet. But on a PC, I don't want the desktop to be an app! At home and at work. According to the Anandtech article, mouse and mouse wheel support is pretty limited in the current build. MS knows how to provide a mouse interface, why change/disable it for this build?

I simply hope that there will be a normal Windows 7 like desktop interface without all the garbage shown at this presentations.

I fear Apple will go in the same direction and Lion was only a first taste.

Post-PC era doesn't mean that the PC is dead. It means that the PC will be used by professionals and those can't work with fullscreen apps and fancy interfaces!

I really hate this current trend!

100% agree.

Crow_Nest · 09-14-11, 08:37 AM

Just downloaded the x64 and x86 developer builds from microsoft. Had them both burned to DVD but im not gonna try it out until tomorrow or so. If mouse wheel support is really crippled in the current build like said in the above post then i doubt im gonna try anything until the RC builds. :/

**nekrosoft13** · 09-14-11, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by slaWter

Well MS complained about the slow adoption of Vista and 7 in the enterprise segment. I'd say Windows 8 will break the record for slowest adoption.

This fancy touch interface is nice for a tablet. But on a PC, I don't want the desktop to be an app! At home and at work. According to the Anandtech article, mouse and mouse wheel support is pretty limited in the current build. MS knows how to provide a mouse interface, why change/disable it for this build?

I simply hope that there will be a normal Windows 7 like desktop interface without all the garbage shown at this presentations.

I fear Apple will go in the same direction and Lion was only a first taste.

Post-PC era doesn't mean that the PC is dead. It means that the PC will be used by professionals and those can't work with fullscreen apps and fancy interfaces!

I really hate this current trend!

MS is insane trying to push their failing phone UI on their best selling product, this will crippe their os share, no company will be crazy enough to upgrade their PCs to this Metro UI garbage

six_storm · 09-14-11, 09:17 AM

Unless anyone hasn't tried, I finally got my install to work with Vbox. Guest additions don't work so it gimps the experience.

Not sure how I feel about the Metro stuff yet. I'm sure someone will find a way for it to boot directly to the desktop instead of the Metro UI. I know that for my work machines, I don't even want to see the Metro interface. I just want my desktop.

Looking forward to seeing what performance changes that have been made. I'd like my Windows installs to be faster, but hey, who doesn't?

Sean_W · 09-14-11, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rakeesh

Yeah so go back to linux which has failed even worse on the desktop. The intent is that microsoft basically doesn't have to compete with itself by essentially writing 3 different operating systems that might be competing for the same users. So microsoft simply made a decision over a year ago, that they wanted to create one OS that would be suitable for all platforms.
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Linux never really got started on the desktop and it doesn't matter because Linux is a successful OS on most other platforms anyway. Microsoft make their primary OS part of touch screens, so it's a nice way for them to gain control over that platform, it's what they have always done, with hardly an competition. If you look at platforms that they actually have competition, they nowhere near dominate it like they desktop.

mojoman0 · 09-14-11, 10:00 AM

Again you guys are missing that if you have the same os on your phone, tablet, and pc, all of your content and applications transfer over from one system to another without any effort. Having everything from the same ecosystem simplifies the experience. I look forward to the app store for pc, I'm just not sure I like the square grid approach

Sean_W · 09-14-11, 10:20 AM

It's got nothing to do with having the same OS on your phone. You can do all of those things without needing the same OS, it's just that Windows uses it's own way and tech for doing it.

The platform should be transparent.

**zoomy942** · 09-14-11, 11:29 AM

Interface sucks. Don't give me a mobile interface on my computer.

But my MAC is working it's a$$ off

**nekrosoft13** · 09-14-11, 12:30 PM

Windows 8, the new biggest failure in windows history.

Redeemed · 09-14-11, 12:33 PM

I don't know... I was really impressed when I saw the boot times. Without knowing more however, that is misleading. Was it UEFI instead of a BIOS? Was that with a SSD or a HDD? Lotta' details missing there. If that was a BIOS with a HDD then those were rediculously impressive boot times. I'd imagine a SSD would be faster. How much so is anybody's guess though.

Still not sold on this though. I'll probably upgrade to it regardless simply cause I'll get it through my technet subscription and wont have to pay retail. But if I did have to pay for it I'd likely not upgrade and just rock 7 till the next version came out.

09-14-11, 08:37 AM	#16
Crow_Nest Ace Spammer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Singapore, Asia Posts: 1,418	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling Just downloaded the x64 and x86 developer builds from microsoft. Had them both burned to DVD but im not gonna try it out until tomorrow or so. If mouse wheel support is really crippled in the current build like said in the above post then i doubt im gonna try anything until the RC builds. :/ __________________ Desktop \| Windows 7 Ultimate x64 \| Intel i7 2700K @ 3.5 GHz \| MSI GeForce GTX 670 OC 2GB \| \| G.Skill RipJawsX PC3 12800 4GB x 2 \| Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer \| Intel SSD 520 120GB SSD \| \| Hitachi 1TB SATA3 HDD \| Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 \| Cooler Master Silent Pro M 700W \| \| Cooler Master Centurion 5 II Casing \| Samsung SyncMaster XL2370 \| Laptop : Lenovo IdeaPad Y450 \| Windows 7 Ultimate x64 \| Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 2.2 GHz \| NVIDIA GeForce G110M 256MB \| \| 4GB DDR3 SDRAM \| Western Digital 320GB \| 14.1' LED Backlit Screen \|

09-14-11, 10:00 AM	#20
mojoman0 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: California Posts: 3,566	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling Again you guys are missing that if you have the same os on your phone, tablet, and pc, all of your content and applications transfer over from one system to another without any effort. Having everything from the same ecosystem simplifies the experience. I look forward to the app store for pc, I'm just not sure I like the square grid approach

09-14-11, 10:20 AM	#21
Sean_W Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,438	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling It's got nothing to do with having the same OS on your phone. You can do all of those things without needing the same OS, it's just that Windows uses it's own way and tech for doing it. The platform should be transparent.

09-14-11, 11:29 AM	#22
zoomy942 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bellevue, ID Posts: 5,330	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling Interface sucks. Don't give me a mobile interface on my computer. But my MAC is working it's a$$ off Attached Thumbnails

09-14-11, 12:30 PM	#23
nekrosoft13 I'm Geralt Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Chicagoland, once a year in Poland Posts: 24,364	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling Windows 8, the new biggest failure in windows history.

09-14-11, 09:17 AM	#18
six_storm Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Nashvegas Posts: 11,575	Unless anyone hasn't tried, I finally got my install to work with Vbox. Guest additions don't work so it gimps the experience. Not sure how I feel about the Metro stuff yet. I'm sure someone will find a way for it to boot directly to the desktop instead of the Metro UI. I know that for my work machines, I don't even want to see the Metro interface. I just want my desktop. Looking forward to seeing what performance changes that have been made. I'd like my Windows installs to be faster, but hey, who doesn't?

09-14-11, 12:33 PM	#24
Redeemed Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 17,986	Re: Microsoft BUILD - Windows 8 Unveiling I don't know... I was really impressed when I saw the boot times. Without knowing more however, that is misleading. Was it UEFI instead of a BIOS? Was that with a SSD or a HDD? Lotta' details missing there. If that was a BIOS with a HDD then those were rediculously impressive boot times. I'd imagine a SSD would be faster. How much so is anybody's guess though. Still not sold on this though. I'll probably upgrade to it regardless simply cause I'll get it through my technet subscription and wont have to pay retail. But if I did have to pay for it I'd likely not upgrade and just rock 7 till the next version came out.