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Old 10-22-11, 01:00 PM   #13
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Old 10-25-11, 02:16 PM   #14
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Old 10-29-11, 05:13 AM   #15
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Old 10-30-11, 03:41 PM   #16
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Anyone from Nvidia to say at least "yes, we are working on it" or "Guys go buy a new card or start prying to Gnome gods since this one is unfixable"? It would seem that Gnome3 is slowly gaining recognition and being adopted by more and more people and it is strange that nobody comes out to fix this enourmous bug which prevent a number of people from using gnome-shell. I don't know if it's a gnome problem, a nvidia one or a xorg-server one but would appreciate some info about how it's going and if someone is ever working on it.
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Old 10-30-11, 05:00 PM   #17
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Usually NVIDIA doesn't fix performance issues in older drivers so most likely you are out of luck and you either should try nouveau or upgrade your PCs.
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Old 10-30-11, 07:07 PM   #18
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Default Re: [GNOME] gnome-shell/mutter/clutter unusably SLOW: 173xx

maybe a long shot ,but do you have this under device in your xorg.conf?
if i remove this gnome shell becomes very unstable.

Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"
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Old 10-30-11, 07:36 PM   #19
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Default Re: [GNOME] gnome-shell/mutter/clutter unusably SLOW: 173xx

this is with 96 or 173 drivers.
my xorg.conf
# nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings
# nvidia-settings: version 270.41.19 (buildmeister@swio-display-x86-rhel47-02.nvidia.com) Mon May 16 23:52:48 PDT 2011
# nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
# nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 (buildmeister@builder75) Thu Apr 14 09:22:52 PDT 2011
# RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf
#

Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0
InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
Option "Xinerama" "0"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from data in "/etc/sysconfig/keyboard"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "kbd"
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# generated from default
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
#important to set dpi properly
Identifier "Monitor0"
VendorName "Unknown"
ModelName "Nvidia Default Flat Panel"
DisplaySize 285 179
HorizSync 29.0 - 50.0
VertRefresh 0.0 - 61.0
ModeLine "1280x800" 68.6 1280 1336 1472 1664 800 801 804 824 -hsync +vsync
Option "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
Option "RenderAccel" "true"
Option "UseEvents" "false"
Option "DamageEvents" "1"
Option "DPI" "96x96"
Option "NoLogo" "1"
Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "1"
Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"
Option "Coolbits" "1"
Option "NvAGP" "1"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Device0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
Option "TwinView" "0"
Option "metamodes" "1280x800 +0+0"
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
EndSubSection
EndSection
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Old 10-31-11, 03:45 AM   #20
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It's not even a shot, xorg isn't supposed to need a xorg.conf file (which is of course the first thing one checks) since recent updates to udev in almost every distro. And even if Nvidia isn't going to work on this it would be nice to say a word about it, although i think they did release new drivers and fixes for new xorg-server versions for legacy drivers too;
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Old 11-01-11, 06:08 AM   #21
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@codypop:
Here is my xorg.conf (I've added some options from yours)
Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Layout0"
	Screen	0	"Screen0"
	InputDevice	"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
	InputDevice	"Mouse0" "CorePointer"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	# generated from default
	Identifier	"Mouse0"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"Protocol" "auto"
	Option		"Device" "/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons" "no"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	# generated from default
	Identifier	"Keyboard0"
	Driver		"kbd"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Monitor0"
	VendorName	"Unknown"
	ModelName	"Unknown"
	HorizSync	30-83
	VertRefresh	57-76
	Option		"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Device0"
	#Driver		"nouveau"
	Driver		"nvidia"
	Option		"RandRRotation" "true"
	Option		"NoLogo" "true"
	Option		"DPI" "96x96"
	Option		"AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true"
	Option		"AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"
	Option		"UseEvents" "false"
	Option		"DamageEvents" "1"
	Option		"Coolbits" "1"
	VendorName	"NVIDIA Corporation"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Screen0"
	Device		"Device0"
	Monitor		"Monitor0"
	DefaultDepth    24
		SubSection	"Display"
			Depth	24
			Modes	"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
		EndSubSection
EndSection
Nothing to do, same poor performances.

The real issue is that not only gnome-shell is unusable but all of the stuffs using clutter are unusable too. Playing videos with latest totem, for example, is like watching a slideshow.

I would prefer a clear "we are not going to fix that s**t, upgrade your old system" but it seems I'll have to up the topic until the end of time.
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Old 11-03-11, 08:16 AM   #22
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Default Re: [GNOME] gnome-shell/mutter/clutter unusably SLOW: 173xx

This is just a performance problem on new (relative to the GPUs 173.14.* supports) desktop environments, right? The legacy drivers get support for newer kernels and X servers (though I'll admit I'm behind on adding support for xserver 1.11), but not things like performance improvements or support for new features.

I'll see if I can give it a try on one of my legacy GPUs, when I get a chance, to see if there's anything obviously wrong. It's likely that mutter/gnome-shell is just hitting a rendering path that was not very well optimized back in the 173.* days, so don't get your hopes up.
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Old 11-04-11, 05:57 PM   #23
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This is just a performance problem on new (relative to the GPUs 173.14.* supports) desktop environments, right? The legacy drivers get support for newer kernels and X servers (though I'll admit I'm behind on adding support for xserver 1.11), but not things like performance improvements or support for new features.

I'll see if I can give it a try on one of my legacy GPUs, when I get a chance, to see if there's anything obviously wrong. It's likely that mutter/gnome-shell is just hitting a rendering path that was not very well optimized back in the 173.* days, so don't get your hopes up.
No this is just the shape problem that got fixed in the non legacy drivers, but the legacy drivers apparently never got this fix. Gnome Shell adjusts the output and input shape during animations (which cause X to call validateTree) which the nvidia driver did not handle right back then (hit some kind of weird performance problem).
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Old 11-04-11, 06:43 PM   #24
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That wasn't even a driver change:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xse...30001a8ebcc909
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