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[Muppet]

Originally Posted by Johnny C

They won't be. In the basic desktop segment...AMD will begin to trounce intel/nvidia soundly. For most users a Fusion product offers such overwhelming value that it's a no-brainer purchase.

4870 caliber graphics combined with a decent performing cpu....for a cheap price.

Keep in mind that most PC users are nothing like the enthusiasts that frequent nVnews. They just want to browse the web, watch flash, and play Battlefield 3...that's it.

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[Rollo]

Originally Posted by Muppet

No chance, there Graphics department is doing extremely well and long may it continue. We need competition to keep these companies honest (or as honest as they can be)

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2203423

ATi is not doing "extremely well", they've pretty much been dismantled since they sold out.

[Muppet]

Originally Posted by Rollo

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2203423

ATi is not doing "extremely well", they've pretty much been dismantled since they sold out.

I think you know what I mean. Competative wise, on the graphics side they are doing fine.

CPU wise (on the AMD side) they have been trailing Intel for quite a few years now. That is something, I can't see changing anytime soon.

[K007]

Originally Posted by Rollo

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2203423

ATi is not doing "extremely well", they've pretty much been dismantled since they sold out.

ATi Performance is not the problem here.

AMD is basically dragging down ATi.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by K007

ATi Performance is not the problem here.

AMD is basically dragging down ATi.

I think you've got it backwards there. AMD owns ATi outright and is the much larger company.

[Bah!]

Originally Posted by Rollo

I think you've got it backwards there. AMD owns ATi outright and is the much larger company.

No, he had it right. Ati would be much better off without AMD, the same can't be said for AMD without Ati.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by Bah!

No, he had it right. Ati would be much better off without AMD, the same can't be said for AMD without Ati.

ATi would have closed their doors years ago if AMD had not bought them and kept them afloat.

AMD is a much larger company than ATi, and together their market cap today is $4b. That means ATi these days would have a market cap under $2b, if not $1b.

Since being purchased by AMD, the graphics division has mainly lost money, occasionally making a couple million here and there.

All the "their strategy is to make second place GPUs and sell them cheap!" PR spin in the world can't change these facts. Like I posted long ago, when ATi lowered their prices and started selling their top end products for $300 instead of $500 and their midrange for $200 it was the LAST thing they needed. They were buying market share at the cost of profit per unit (same as AMD) at a time when they needed money.

The ATi of old no longer exists, and I would not be surprised if the 7000 series is their last high end product.

[Rollo]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...Next_Week.html

According to XBit's unnamed source, AMD will be announcing a new corporate strategy next week focusing on mobile tech. The Beefdozer and 7000 series may well be the swan song of enthusiast AMD and ATi as we knew them.

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/11/03/a...oup-untouched/

Carrell Killebrew, the man credited with Eyefinity, probably the largest advantage AMD has in the graphics market right now....Add to this the brain drain that has happened over the last few months, people like Dr. Gamal Refai-Ahmed, David Hoff, and dozens of others, you have to wonder who is left.

That's from ATi's biggest pimp. Clearly ATi is on the skids right along with AMD. I guess the future really was fusion.

The only question left is what will happen to computer gaming forums when all that is left to talk about is which intel CPU we'll buy, or which NVIDIA GPU?

[uOpt]

Intel has been in the same position when their first power-hog, high-clock, not-full-cores architecture tanked, Netburst. They went back (or sideways) to something that was derived from the earlier designs.

I don't see that AMD can't do that. They make reasonable amounts of money.

The way I see it AMD had, until last week, been the company upholding CPUs that perform well and predictable for non-multimedia and hard to multithread code. My Phenom II with Turbo blasts through the typical "how long do I have to wait for this C++ lib to link" very well. The only drawback is idle power higher than I would have liked.

AMD also gives us ECC support in desktop CPU and unlocked multipliers for cheap. Intel is on it's first generation of reasonably priced unlocked multiplier CPUs and that party will be over if AMD goes out.

[Viral]

Originally Posted by Rollo

All the "their strategy is to make second place GPUs and sell them cheap!" PR spin in the world can't change these facts. Like I posted long ago, when ATi lowered their prices and started selling their top end products for $300 instead of $500 and their midrange for $200 it was the LAST thing they needed. They were buying market share at the cost of profit per unit (same as AMD) at a time when they needed money.

Yeah, because they didn't also go for smaller die sizes or anything, they just said "lets sell our same old chips for less profit!". Their prices are in line with the die size differences compared to NV on the high end, considering the performance delta isn't as large as the die size or price difference I'd have to say it's a pretty good strategy.

But of course you'll overlook tiny facts like that in order to troll.

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by Viral

Yeah, because they didn't also go for smaller die sizes or anything, they just said "lets sell our same old chips for less profit!". Their prices are in line with the die size differences compared to NV on the high end, considering the performance delta isn't as large as the die size or price difference I'd have to say it's a pretty good strategy.

But of course you'll overlook tiny facts like that in order to troll.

And yet which company made more money this year, is worth about 8X as much, could buy the other with cash, likely won't be announcing their departure from high end gaming this week, and isn't laying off all their best people while the world wonders if they'll be in business next year?

Maybe the strategy wasn't so good or profitable as you say?

When AMD is making CPUs for micrwave ovens and graphics for cordless phone handsets, what the heck are people on the internet going to debate?

"Well if ATi and 3DFX had survived, their products would have been better!"?

Wonder what will happen on AMDZone if AMD leaves the high end behind?

"Dude AMDs new Forklift cpu offers 27% of the gaming performance of a Bulldozer! It's looking to be one powerful chip!"

[Rollo]

Originally Posted by uOpt

AMD also gives us ECC support in desktop CPU and unlocked multipliers for cheap. Intel is on it's first generation of reasonably priced unlocked multiplier CPUs and that party will be over if AMD goes out.

I don't buy into the whole "If AMD goes, intel and NVIDIA will put the screws to us!" position.

intel and NVIDIA need us to keep buying their products on a regular basis to keep their doors open, so they can't just say "Haha, you are all screwed. Our new price points are $1000,$2000, and $3000, pay it or do without.".

The number of people who would pay that would be too small to cover their overhead. (especially in a world wide recession)