Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. - Page 2

loafer87gt · 12-06-11, 09:00 PM

Can someone please tell me how to use this? With Skyrim, for example, do you just drop the DX10 files in the game executable directory? I did this, disabled the old FXAA from the video settings, and hitting the pause key does nothing and it appears I have no AA running at all in the game now. How do you tell games to use SMAA? Do you have to disable the ingame AA settings?

Thanks in advance for any help! Would like to give this a go.

dikinher · 12-06-11, 10:08 PM

http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guid...im-tweak-guide

The Skyrim guide by Koroush of tweakguides.com is now available on Geforce.com. It is pretty handy and detailed. Also has FXAA and MSAA comparison. According to Koroush, SMAA is the better choice since it doesn't have the blur visual effect from FXAA usage.

dikinher · 12-06-11, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by loafer87gt

Can someone please tell me how to use this? With Skyrim, for example, do you just drop the DX10 files in the game executable directory? I did this, disabled the old FXAA from the video settings, and hitting the pause key does nothing and it appears I have no AA running at all in the game now. How do you tell games to use SMAA? Do you have to disable the ingame AA settings?

Thanks in advance for any help! Would like to give this a go.

It's the same as installing the FXAA injector. Make sure to use the proper files if a game is DX9 or DX10.

dikinher · 12-06-11, 10:30 PM

I know this works in Battlefield 3, but is it possible to use SMAA without getting banned from a punkbuster server?

loafer87gt · 12-07-11, 12:12 AM

Found out what I was doing wrong. I saw the DX10 folder in Skyrim and assumed the program was DX10. Not the case. Dropped the DX9 SMAA injector in the folder and everything is running fine now. Don't notice much of a difference from the games built in FXAA however.

Burnt_Ram · 12-07-11, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dikinher

I know this works in Battlefield 3, but is it possible to use SMAA without getting banned from a punkbuster server?

how did you get it to work in BF3? when i tried it the BF3.exe kept crashing.

loafer87gt · 12-07-11, 12:15 PM

If you have any third party overlay app such as Afterburner running games will crash when running the SMAA injector. Likewise, Steam's overlay also causes issues.

Burnt_Ram · 12-07-11, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by loafer87gt

If you have any third party overlay app such as Afterburner running games will crash when running the SMAA injector. Likewise, Steam's overlay also causes issues.

oh ok, it must be evga precision then ... odd because i tried the FXAA injector for BF3 and the bf3.exe didnt crash.

Burnt_Ram · 12-08-11, 11:12 AM

SMAA is great! have it working in BF3 and it is even better than running FXAA or MSAA + FXAA together!

I decided to remove it untill i know forsure i won't get PB banned ... Evenbalance and Dice have been asked but, sofar no response on the issue. hopefully we know something definative soon! great tool, and i want to use it damn it ...

Bah! · 12-09-11, 07:45 AM

Someone on the EQ2 forums made an SMAA injector using the high settings. Better looking, still no performance impact!

http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...opic_id=509978

knghtwhosaysni · 12-09-11, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by slaWter

I haven't followed FXAA and SMAA closely. But I noticed that the links in this thread point to blogs. Are these algorithms based on third party researches and development efforts and not officially supported by nV?

I thought FXAA was nV's answer to AMD's MLAA...

The shader for FXAA is made by a guy at Nvidia, Timothy Lottes. http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/

The shader for SMAA is made by this researcher Jorge Jiminez and some others. http://www.iryoku.com/smaa/

Normally, a game dev would have to incorporate these shaders into their games' pipelines themselves, but the "inject" versions are just the normal shaders along with a DirectX helper .dll, which applies the shaders at the end of the pipeline. Neither inject .dll's are made by Nvidia or Jorge tho, both have been made by coders unrelated to the actual shader R&D

Bman212121 · 12-14-11, 08:04 PM

Hmm this could be interesting...

@slaWter: Yea sometimes MLAA can be a bit overkill and blur things you don't want it too. It is especially bad about text and making it harder to read. From what I've seen so far FXAA doesn't necessarly blur the textures when you're looking up close to them, but I'm guessing they have softer edges that people aren't as used to so it appears blurry. There was a good write up from [H] talking about it. As far as I know text isn't really affected like it is with MLAA.

I'd guess that SMAA just tweaks some of the algorithms to keep the edges sharper making it perceivably better than FXAA. I'd have to guess that FXAA or MLAA could do the same thing with some more tweaking.

If anyone still has Test Drive Unlimited installed I wouldn't mind giving this a go. I tried that game with MLAA but it still didn't seem to fix the jaggies on the rails and the edges of the road. Would love to find an AA method that actually works on that game.

12-06-11, 09:00 PM	#13
loafer87gt Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 424	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. Can someone please tell me how to use this? With Skyrim, for example, do you just drop the DX10 files in the game executable directory? I did this, disabled the old FXAA from the video settings, and hitting the pause key does nothing and it appears I have no AA running at all in the game now. How do you tell games to use SMAA? Do you have to disable the ingame AA settings? Thanks in advance for any help! Would like to give this a go. __________________ System Specs: Intel QX6700 @ 3.2 Ghz Intel Bad Axe 2 Motherboard 8 GB Corsair Dominator 8500 MSI TwinFroz GTX 470 Soundblaster X-Fi Silverstone Zeus 850 PSU Dell FPW2405 LCD Win 7 64 Bit

12-06-11, 10:08 PM	#14
dikinher Grab em! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fullerton, CA. Posts: 744	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/Guid...im-tweak-guide The Skyrim guide by Koroush of tweakguides.com is now available on Geforce.com. It is pretty handy and detailed. Also has FXAA and MSAA comparison. According to Koroush, SMAA is the better choice since it doesn't have the blur visual effect from FXAA usage. __________________ Windows 7 Pro 64 OS * i7 2600K @4.5Ghz * ASUS P8P67 PRO (B3) * 4GB G.Skill Ripjaws X * EVGA GTX 670 FTW Edition * Cooler Master HAF 932

12-06-11, 10:30 PM	#16
dikinher Grab em! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Fullerton, CA. Posts: 744	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. I know this works in Battlefield 3, but is it possible to use SMAA without getting banned from a punkbuster server? __________________ Windows 7 Pro 64 OS * i7 2600K @4.5Ghz * ASUS P8P67 PRO (B3) * 4GB G.Skill Ripjaws X * EVGA GTX 670 FTW Edition * Cooler Master HAF 932

12-07-11, 12:12 AM	#17
loafer87gt Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 424	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. Found out what I was doing wrong. I saw the DX10 folder in Skyrim and assumed the program was DX10. Not the case. Dropped the DX9 SMAA injector in the folder and everything is running fine now. Don't notice much of a difference from the games built in FXAA however. __________________ System Specs: Intel QX6700 @ 3.2 Ghz Intel Bad Axe 2 Motherboard 8 GB Corsair Dominator 8500 MSI TwinFroz GTX 470 Soundblaster X-Fi Silverstone Zeus 850 PSU Dell FPW2405 LCD Win 7 64 Bit

12-07-11, 12:15 PM	#19
loafer87gt Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 424	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. If you have any third party overlay app such as Afterburner running games will crash when running the SMAA injector. Likewise, Steam's overlay also causes issues. __________________ System Specs: Intel QX6700 @ 3.2 Ghz Intel Bad Axe 2 Motherboard 8 GB Corsair Dominator 8500 MSI TwinFroz GTX 470 Soundblaster X-Fi Silverstone Zeus 850 PSU Dell FPW2405 LCD Win 7 64 Bit

12-08-11, 11:12 AM	#21
Burnt_Ram Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Kelowna, B.C. Posts: 2,092	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. SMAA is great! have it working in BF3 and it is even better than running FXAA or MSAA + FXAA together! I decided to remove it untill i know forsure i won't get PB banned ... Evenbalance and Dice have been asked but, sofar no response on the issue. hopefully we know something definative soon! great tool, and i want to use it damn it ...

12-09-11, 07:45 AM	#22
Bah! Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 868	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. Someone on the EQ2 forums made an SMAA injector using the high settings. Better looking, still no performance impact! http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...opic_id=509978

12-14-11, 08:04 PM	#24
Bman212121 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,726	Re: Inject SMAA - better than FXAA still 0 performance hit. Hmm this could be interesting... @slaWter: Yea sometimes MLAA can be a bit overkill and blur things you don't want it too. It is especially bad about text and making it harder to read. From what I've seen so far FXAA doesn't necessarly blur the textures when you're looking up close to them, but I'm guessing they have softer edges that people aren't as used to so it appears blurry. There was a good write up from [H] talking about it. As far as I know text isn't really affected like it is with MLAA. I'd guess that SMAA just tweaks some of the algorithms to keep the edges sharper making it perceivably better than FXAA. I'd have to guess that FXAA or MLAA could do the same thing with some more tweaking. If anyone still has Test Drive Unlimited installed I wouldn't mind giving this a go. I tried that game with MLAA but it still didn't seem to fix the jaggies on the rails and the edges of the road. Would love to find an AA method that actually works on that game.