next gen kepler to support dx 11.1, also take a year to rollout all cards

[Roadhog]

Pretty sure it's fake as Kepler isn't supposed to have hot clocks.

[Robs07M6S]

I wanna see a 3gb version of the GTX 680 or a 2.5gb version of the GTX 670 and I would happily wait until someone like Asus or Msi came out with one before I even thought about upgrading.

[Xion X2]

They need to stack, at minimum, 2.5GB on the card. 2GB just isn't enough for a card you want to keep a few years. Skyrim with mods and BF3 already push close to that. And if you game on multiple monitors you're in trouble.

[Robs07M6S]

Originally Posted by Xion X2

They need to stack, at minimum, 2.5GB on the card. 2GB just isn't enough for a card you want to keep a few years. Skyrim with mods and BF3 already push close to that. And if you game on multiple monitors you're in trouble.

Yep and I can vouch for that because with BF3 im at 1490mb's at 1920X1080 Ultra settings with 4XMSAA and Skyrim with Mods I have seen just over 1500mb's so as it is im right on the edge with those games, lol.

Think I will hold out as long as I can though, I usually like the refresh cards the most anyway and ATI from what I have heard will have a refresh this summer with 8000 series cards and Kepler would likely be working on one as well so for me its going to be one of those 2 choices.

[MUYA]

Is it me or the price for the top end stuff (single GPU)are getting ridiculous! well rumored MSRP!

US$500 is the max budget I would be prepared to part from for a vid card

[Robs07M6S]

Originally Posted by MUYA

Is it me or the price for the top end stuff (single GPU)are getting ridiculous! well rumored MSRP!

US$500 is the max budget I would be prepared to part from for a vid card

Yep, im not paying more than $500.00 for a top tier video card myself. Im patient these days when it comes to hardware though and usually wait until I can get a great deal, such as my GTX 580 that I purchased for $360.00.

[MUYA]

Originally Posted by Roadhog

Pretty sure it's fake as Kepler isn't supposed to have hot clocks.

If kepler was indeed new architecture that was designed not to have a hot clock. If its die shrink of Fermi maybe hot clocks are still needed? I dunno man this is getting real silly at the moment in terms of rumors....

[Xion X2]

Prices for high end cards have been ridiculous for a while. My two 8800GTXs on launch day were 620$ each. My 4870X2s were 700$ each.

[shadow001]

Originally Posted by MUYA

If kepler was indeed new architecture that was designed not to have a hot clock. If its die shrink of Fermi maybe hot clocks are still needed? I dunno man this is getting real silly at the moment in terms of rumors....

Given the size of the current Fermi GPU at 530mm2, a straight die shrink to 28nm without changing a thing on it would still make a chip that's 371mm^, basically as large as the Tahiti GPU on the HD7970 GPU's as it is, so you can imagine what adding twice as many shaders as listed on those charts, 64 Rop's and even more texture units, would do to the size of the GPU itself...Yup, it would be huge and hardly able to hit high clocks period.


As for the double clocked shaders, it's hard to say to be honest, and they might ditch them because even if adding more of them, they're still not able to hit the intended performance targets, or a fab process limitation of the 28nm process that won't allow to hit intended clock speeds if they're still double clocked, or simply needing to beef up the shaders to deliver more performance but having to sacrifice their double clocked nature in the process, perhaps to also make the overall architecture more power efficient....The reasons could be many.

[Vardant]

Originally Posted by shadow001

Point is, we don't need more specialised hardware within a GPU if it means compromising it's graphics performance relative to the competition on the many games that are already released or will be released and don't use this feature period, and GPU based PhysX is present is 6 games released over a period of several years, while the CPU version is used a lot more, so that says it all really now doesn't it?

It's just a rumor. Even if it's true, it's nothing going to be dedicated to just PhysX, that would be stupid, they ported PhysX to Cuda for that purpose. If anything, they will tweak the shaders.

It's 6 games vs none from the other companies. That's still a win in my books.

Originally Posted by shadow001

And why Direct X overtook OpenGL is precisiely because OpenGL allowed the ability to add all sorts of new features on graphics cards thru driver extensions, creating a mess of who supported exactly what for developers and their game projects, so yes unification in that area once DX10 rolled in and made everything mandatory, with no ability to add extra features was a blessing that made game developers lives easier.....And last i checked, microsoft has a lot more leverage on the market since most systems run their O/S's, with linux and the MAC/OS very far away in second and third, so Nvidia could only dream of having that kind of leverage.

I don't think that's true at all. The extensions were needed, because OpenGL was too slow to implement new features, but developers needed them right then.

Also, PhysX doesn't need to become a standard, it's just a middleware. That would be like asking developers to only use Unreal engine.

[K007]

Entire Nvidia Kepler Series Specifications, Price & Release Date
http://lenzfire.com/2012/02/entire-n...se-date-43823/

Nvidia Kepler GTX680

850MHz Core clock
2 GB 5.5GHz GDDR5 Memory
1024 Stream Processors
512bit Bus Width
Priced at $649
45% faster than HD 7970
Nvidia has a clear winner in its hands and that’s why they have commented that they had expected much more from AMD. But still we already know that AMD is preparing its revised GCN HD 8000 series graphic cards, which may be release in the latter half of this year.

Nvidia Kepler GTX670

850MHz Core clock
1.75 GB 5GHz GDDR5 Memory
896 Stream Processors
448bit Bus Width
Priced at $499
20% faster than HD 7970
Nvidia Kepler GTX660Ti

850MHz Core clock
1.5 GB 5GHz GDDR5 Memory
768 Stream Processors
384bit Bus Width
Priced at $399
10% faster than HD 7950
Nvidia Kepler GTX660

900MHz Core clock
2 GB 5.8GHz GDDR5 Memory
512 Stream Processors
256bit Bus Width
Priced at $319
Performance similar to GTX580
Nvidia Kepler GTX650Ti

850MHz Core clock
1.75 GB 5.5GHz GDDR5 Memory
448 Stream Processors
224bit Bus Width
Priced at $249
Performance similar to GTX570
Nvidia Kepler GTX650

900MHz Core clock
1.5 GB 5.5GHz GDDR5 Memory
256 Stream Processors
292bit Bus Width
Priced at $179
Performance similar to GTX560
Nvidia Kepler GTX640

850MHz Core clock
2 GB 5.5GHz GDDR5 Memory
192 Stream Processors
128bit Bus Width
Priced at $139
Performance similar to GTX550Ti

[Maverick123w]

Eh I highly doubt that's accurate, but if it is I'm damn glad I waited for kepler lol.