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Old 07-19-06, 02:14 PM   #13
hgb
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

I have marked with green what I think is correct, with blue the part I gues is not validatedd but is output of xrandr (dont know why).
Code:
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: EDID
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 78.75 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1040
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1136, 1312
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  769
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772,  800
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: EDID
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 65.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1344
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 70 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: EDID
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 75.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1328
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 43 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 44.90 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1032
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1208, 1264
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  768
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  776,  817
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Extra            : Interlaced
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: Interlaced modes not allowed.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 65.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1344
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 70 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 75.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1328
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 78.80 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1040
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1136, 1312
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  769
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772,  800
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 85 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 94.50 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1072
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1168, 1376
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  769
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772,  808
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: PixelClock (94.5 MHz) too high for EDID
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     (EDID Max: 80.0 MHz).
...
II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 120 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 133.47 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1100
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1212, 1400
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  768
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772, 1588
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Extra            : DoubleScan
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: PixelClock (133.5 MHz) too high for EDID
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     (EDID Max: 80.0 MHz).
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 150 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 170.24 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1108
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1220, 1416
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  768
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772, 1602
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Extra            : DoubleScan
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: PixelClock (170.2 MHz) too high for EDID
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     (EDID Max: 80.0 MHz).
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 170 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: X Server
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 194.02 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1108
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1220, 1416
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  768
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772, 1612
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Extra            : DoubleScan
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: PixelClock (194.0 MHz) too high for EDID
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     (EDID Max: 80.0 MHz).
...
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 43 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: VESA
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 44.90 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1032
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1208, 1264
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  768
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  776,  817
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Extra            : Interlaced
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: Interlaced modes not allowed.
(II) NVIDIA(0): 
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: VESA
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 65.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1344
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
(II) NVIDIA(0): 
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 70 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: VESA
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 75.00 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1048
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1184, 1328
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  771
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  777,  806
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : -/-
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
(II) NVIDIA(0): 
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 75 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: VESA
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 78.80 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1040
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1136, 1312
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  769
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772,  800
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is valid.
(II) NVIDIA(0): 
(II) NVIDIA(0):   Validating Mode "1024x768":
(II) NVIDIA(0):     1024 x 768 @ 85 Hz
(II) NVIDIA(0):     Mode Source: VESA
(II) NVIDIA(0):       Pixel Clock      : 94.50 MHz
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HRes, HSyncStart : 1024, 1072
(II) NVIDIA(0):       HSyncEnd, HTotal : 1168, 1376
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VRes, VSyncStart :  768,  769
(II) NVIDIA(0):       VSyncEnd, VTotal :  772,  808
(II) NVIDIA(0):       H/V Polarity     : +/+
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     Mode is rejected: PixelClock (94.5 MHz) too high for EDID
(WW) NVIDIA(0):     (EDID Max: 80.0 MHz).
...
(II) NVIDIA(0): --- Modes in ModePool for Samsung (CRT-0) ---
...
(II) NVIDIA(0): "1024x768"             : 1024 x  768 @  75.1 Hz  (from: X Server, VESA)
(II) NVIDIA(0): "1024x768_75_0"        : 1024 x  768 @  75.1 Hz  (from: X Server, VESA)
(II) NVIDIA(0): "1024x768_75"          : 1024 x  768 @  75.0 Hz  (from: EDID)
(II) NVIDIA(0): "1024x768_70"          : 1024 x  768 @  70.1 Hz  (from: X Server, VESA, EDID)
(II) NVIDIA(0): "1024x768_60"          : 1024 x  768 @  60.0 Hz  (from: X Server, VESA, EDID)
...
(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
(II) NVIDIA(0): Requested modes:
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "1024x768"
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "800x600"
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "640x480"
(II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
(II) NVIDIA(0): MetaMode "1024x768":
...
(II) NVIDIA(0): MetaMode "800x600":
...
(II) NVIDIA(0): MetaMode "640x480":
The valid codes does not say nothing about the rates accepted.... but like you see in the "Modes in ModePool for Samsung" that I guess are the valid accepted modes... isn't included 1024x768@85 ... because it was rejected...






But the mode accepted 1024x768@75 "Pixel Clock : 78.75 MHz" overpass the max rate??? of the manual... "VESA, 1024 x 768 Pixel clock 65.000 Mhz"





Added the anterior paragraph.

Last edited by hgb; 07-21-06 at 12:42 AM.
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Old 07-21-06, 12:41 AM   #14
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

Question...





There is a way I can force start "startx" with something like 1024x768@60???? and dosent let the driver select @ 75????




I see this like the only option that I have, but I dont know how.






(I think that the EDID is not 80... in the manual say max pixel clock is 65 and not 80)
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Old 07-21-06, 12:46 AM   #15
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

You can request the 1024x768_60 mode.

-Lonni
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Old 07-21-06, 01:29 AM   #16
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

I see that xrandr -s 1024x768_60 & xrandr -s 1024x768_75 make the monitor run black and the led blink, but hitting CTRL+ALT+"+" make the monitor go OK for 800x600, do a bigger window for 1024x768 (but display it no black window) and it never get to the resolution of 640x480 hitting this combination.



Anyway, I attach if serve of some a Xorg.0.log of "nv" (after restart of the graphical server from a session with nvidia driver) (first at 800x600... but the different modes work with nv).




Do you have any hint why it work with nv but not with nvidia???
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Old 07-21-06, 04:36 AM   #17
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hgb
(of what I think is my monitor... it is somewhat old )
Of course I cannot look into your budget, but I would suggest to look for a newer monitor.
Try to find something that can at least display 1280x1024 at a refreshrate of 75Hz or above.
It will make your use of Linux much more enjoyable!

Now that everyone wants a flatpanel, an old (but not THAT old) CRT monitor is easy to find second-hand.
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Old 07-21-06, 11:06 AM   #18
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

But I dont understand why under "nv" work perfectly (it fit perfectly... and it detect the rate perfectly 60hz), and like I see all the resolutions printed under xrandr work OK (even the lower ones).
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Old 07-21-06, 12:20 PM   #19
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hgb
But I dont understand why under "nv" work perfectly
That is strange, yes. The newer nvidia drivers do more checking and autodetecting (too much, imho) so they may have removed modes that are valid for your monitor.

What I wanted to say is that working at 1024x768 is not much fun, and doing it at 60Hz is causing too many headaches.
So after you have got it working under the nvidia driver you will still want another monitor, and you could just go out and get one first.

Someone at my work recently bought a used 19" CRT (HP) for 30 euro, from the local 2nd hand shopping/trading site. Such monitors nicely run 1600x1200 at 75Hz. Smaller ones should be even cheaper.
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Old 07-22-06, 05:46 PM   #20
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Default Re: Max resolution dosent fit on my monitor.

The thing is that requesting the mode in xrandr dosent work

Code:
xrandr -s 1024x768_60
because the output was
Code:
~$ xrandr
 SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
*0   1024 x 768    ( 283mm x 212mm )  *75
 1    800 x 600    ( 283mm x 212mm )   85
 2    640 x 480    ( 283mm x 212mm )   85
Current rotation - normal
Current reflection - none
Rotations possible - normal
Reflections possible - none
Where the resolution and rate I select isn't present.

From this thread http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73752 I follow and get this explanation http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/L...ppendix-j.html



Then after read a little... it say that the driver take all the valid modes and give a name and default the "best mode autodetected" to the name of the resolution in this case "1024x768"... and I see the names starting "startx -- -logverbose 6" or modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf (Im using gdm manager) and adding the "-logverbose 6" to the line of startx.








Anyway, I see there the rate that I wanted @60... and I modifyied my xorg for request that name by available to xrandr (I guess)

Code:
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes "1024x768_60" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubSection



And tada.. It work perfect... the 1024x768_60 fit completely on my monitor not like the default 1024x768 that is 1024x768_75 .

Now the mode is available to xrandr

Code:
~$ xrandr
 SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
*0   1024 x 768    ( 283mm x 212mm )  *60   75
 1    800 x 600    ( 283mm x 212mm )   85
 2    640 x 480    ( 283mm x 212mm )   85
Current rotation - normal
Current reflection - none
Rotations possible - normal
Reflections possible - none
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Old 07-22-06, 07:53 PM   #21
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And you don't get a headache from the terrible flicker at 60Hz?
Then you should consider yourself lucky!

(it may also be that the monitor has a slow phosphor. some older monitors do. I used to have an old 19" professional Sony fixed-frequency monitor that only runs at 60Hz, and its picture flickers much less than the typical PC monitor does)
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Old 07-22-06, 10:32 PM   #22
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I think no, I can play much time without problems... also is a little monitorI guess is OK the refresh for this size of monitor it is a 15" monitor... tought I dont know well how to install games on Linux.. I only have 2 or 3 and one FPS... in mean time I will buy another cmputer for get the new games ...






By the way... do you know how to make my mouse wheel scroll the page???? and how to kill a game that has freeze and is full screen??? I need press the restart server combination. but dont know how to kill the game :S.
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