why thorton?

Cotita · 06-30-03, 01:17 PM

Rumors are spreading about amd releasing a new XP core, the thorton which is a barton core with half chache and lower FSB.

Why would amd do such a thing? they already have a core that does exactly that, Tbred. It doesn't make any sense. Barton core is more expensive than tbred because of its size and most of AMD manufacturing is done on tbred core not barton.

It just doesn't make sense, does it?

**ragejg** · 06-30-03, 01:40 PM

Quoting David @ Hexus.net:

"Basically it is a Barton but with 1/2 the L2 cache - 256 instead of 512KB we have not heard anything from AMD in regards to this CPU.

The Thorton is an AMD Athlon XP part it does not replace the AMD Duron.

There are three speed grades 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ which only replace the Thoroughbred core parts of the same model number.

The reason for the product is that its still a volume part as customers are selling many systems with VIA KM266 chipsets and that it does not make sense to still make Thoroughbred part at that lower FSB of 266 MHz, so we just modified the Barton core, to the specification of the value end of the Thoroughbred core products.

So the parts have 256k cache and 266 MHz FSB.

The boards which are validated for it are over here, this is ideal as an upgrade CPU for your older boxes.

The new parts are:

AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache
AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache
AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache"

Just a little donation from me...

Oh, and I posted this as well a day or two ago in staff forum:
"oh, so what, someone thinks they're sellin a 2600 model 10 @ 333 fsb?

http://www.mgepconline.com/product_...ts.asp?PRID=920 "

I also commented as such: "so... the cache has been disabled by AMD? Heh...

I'm postulating optimistically right now...

Maybe this 2000+ model will be like $69, do decent @ OC'ing, and possibly some smart smart man will figure out how to enable the cache... HOO HAA!!

heck, or it could be a hot runnin chip-uncapable of OC...

who knows... think I'm gonna buy one..."

...

mariuz · 06-30-03, 02:03 PM

overvclockers.com have a answer about thorton

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00414/

Dazz · 07-01-03, 06:48 PM

Yeap that's what i think it is. Intel do it so why not AMD?
Why chuck out bad chips when you can remark them and flog them off and at least make abit of money

**ragejg** · 07-05-03, 02:56 AM

is this why the 1600B0 stepping never was released? dang, I itched for one o them a couple months ago... woulda been nice...

stncttr908 · 07-05-03, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dazz
Yeap that's what i think it is. Intel do it so why not AMD?
Why chuck out bad chips when you can remark them and flog them off and at least make abit of money

Correct. The average OEM customer doesn't even know what cache is anyway, and think their 2400+ is a 2.4ghz processor.

06-30-03, 01:17 PM	#1
Cotita Nvidia God Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 347	why thorton? Rumors are spreading about amd releasing a new XP core, the thorton which is a barton core with half chache and lower FSB. Why would amd do such a thing? they already have a core that does exactly that, Tbred. It doesn't make any sense. Barton core is more expensive than tbred because of its size and most of AMD manufacturing is done on tbred core not barton. It just doesn't make sense, does it? __________________ Sometimes I hate being right everytime.

06-30-03, 01:40 PM	#2
ragejg Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Finger Lakes of Hell, NY Posts: 5,587	... Quoting David @ Hexus.net: "Basically it is a Barton but with 1/2 the L2 cache - 256 instead of 512KB we have not heard anything from AMD in regards to this CPU. The Thorton is an AMD Athlon XP part it does not replace the AMD Duron. There are three speed grades 2000+, 2200+ and 2400+ which only replace the Thoroughbred core parts of the same model number. The reason for the product is that its still a volume part as customers are selling many systems with VIA KM266 chipsets and that it does not make sense to still make Thoroughbred part at that lower FSB of 266 MHz, so we just modified the Barton core, to the specification of the value end of the Thoroughbred core products. So the parts have 256k cache and 266 MHz FSB. The boards which are validated for it are over here, this is ideal as an upgrade CPU for your older boxes. The new parts are: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2200+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ (266 FSB) Model 10 w/ 256K Cache" Just a little donation from me... Oh, and I posted this as well a day or two ago in staff forum: "oh, so what, someone thinks they're sellin a 2600 model 10 @ 333 fsb? http://www.mgepconline.com/product_...ts.asp?PRID=920 " I also commented as such: "so... the cache has been disabled by AMD? Heh... I'm postulating optimistically right now... Maybe this 2000+ model will be like $69, do decent @ OC'ing, and possibly some smart smart man will figure out how to enable the cache... HOO HAA!! heck, or it could be a hot runnin chip-uncapable of OC... who knows... think I'm gonna buy one..." ... __________________ *-ragejg-* Phenom II x3 720 @ 2.8-3.4ghz \| Cooled by Arctic Freezer Pro 64 \| Asus M3A (AMD770/SB600), 1104 BIOS & MOSFET Heatsinks \| 2x2gb G.Skill DDR2 \| PowerColor Radeon HD 4870 512mb \| SB Audigy 2 ZS \| WD 2500 AAKS Caviar Blue HD \| Antec EarthWatts 650 PSU \| DVD/RW \| Sunbeam Tuniq case \| MS Wireless Laser Desktop 6000 \| 360 pad \| Two PS2 pads \| 26" Sanyo 720p LCD \| Denon HT Receiver with NHT SuperOnes \| Altec Lansing sub \| Vista 64 \| Couch X2 4800+ 939 @ 2.4ghz \| Cooled by Arctic Alpine AC \| Asus A8V Deluxe \| 3gb OCZ Gold \| PowerColor AGP HD3850 512mb \| PATA RAID 0 Config \| MyBook 500 \| X-Clio Goodpower 500W \| DVD/RW \| 19" Acer 4:3 LCD + 15" ViewSonic 4:3 LCD \| Case by Cybertron \| Creative Inspire T3100 2.1 Speakers/Sub \| Vista 32 *In Memoriam*

06-30-03, 02:03 PM	#3
mariuz Albino penguin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Transylvania Posts: 121	overclockers.com have a answer overvclockers.com have a answer about thorton http://www.overclockers.com/tips00414/ __________________ http://www.firebirdsql.org

07-01-03, 06:48 PM	#4
Dazz "TOON ARMY!" Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Newcastle, United Kingdom Posts: 5,114	Yeap that's what i think it is. Intel do it so why not AMD? Why chuck out bad chips when you can remark them and flog them off and at least make abit of money __________________ "Never interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Intel Core 2 eXtreme QX9650 @ 4.00GHz 1600MHz FSB, ASUS P5N-D 750i SLi, EVGA GTX260FTW Edition, ASUS E616 DVD, ASUS DRW-604P, DELL 20" 2005FPW, FPS700W PSU, Logitech Z5500 Digital. 2x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, Samsung Spinpoint F1 750GB RIAD-0 1.5TB

07-05-03, 02:56 AM	#5
ragejg Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Finger Lakes of Hell, NY Posts: 5,587	... is this why the 1600B0 stepping never was released? dang, I itched for one o them a couple months ago... woulda been nice... __________________ *-ragejg-* Phenom II x3 720 @ 2.8-3.4ghz \| Cooled by Arctic Freezer Pro 64 \| Asus M3A (AMD770/SB600), 1104 BIOS & MOSFET Heatsinks \| 2x2gb G.Skill DDR2 \| PowerColor Radeon HD 4870 512mb \| SB Audigy 2 ZS \| WD 2500 AAKS Caviar Blue HD \| Antec EarthWatts 650 PSU \| DVD/RW \| Sunbeam Tuniq case \| MS Wireless Laser Desktop 6000 \| 360 pad \| Two PS2 pads \| 26" Sanyo 720p LCD \| Denon HT Receiver with NHT SuperOnes \| Altec Lansing sub \| Vista 64 \| Couch X2 4800+ 939 @ 2.4ghz \| Cooled by Arctic Alpine AC \| Asus A8V Deluxe \| 3gb OCZ Gold \| PowerColor AGP HD3850 512mb \| PATA RAID 0 Config \| MyBook 500 \| X-Clio Goodpower 500W \| DVD/RW \| 19" Acer 4:3 LCD + 15" ViewSonic 4:3 LCD \| Case by Cybertron \| Creative Inspire T3100 2.1 Speakers/Sub \| Vista 32 *In Memoriam*

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