Bali bomber thanks anti-war protesters

[sbp]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...55E401,00.html



THE man who helped mix the deadly one-tonne Bali nightclub bomb Sawad, alias Sardjiyo, yesterday said he wanted to thank the Australian people who had supported his cause during recent Australian anti-Gulf War protests.

And fellow bomb-mixer Abdul Ghoni urged Australians against forming friendly alliances with America.

The pronouncements of the two Bali bombing suspects came as they and the evidence against them was handed from Bali police to prosecutors.

"I want to thank the Australian people who supported our cause when they demonstrated against the policies of George Bush. Say thank you to all of them," Sawad said.

Ironically, from a terrorist accused not only of the Bali bombing but of church bombings and the bombing of an ambassador's residence in Jakarta, Sawad claimed he had a message of peace for the world.

"For all human beings to stop now in this world, destroy all of the destructive weapons . . . if there were no weapons then peace can be created," he said.

Terrorism, he said, was a reciprocal action.

Terrorist cohort Ghoni had his own warning for Australians: "Be careful about making friends with America because actually America wants to control the world . . . all of us will be colonised so we have to be careful about making friends with the USA . . . if they are shaken continuously, definitely, they will be smashed."

Both men claimed to be unafraid of the death penalty, which they will very likely face, and had no regrets about the 202 innocent lives lost in the October 12 Bali bombings.

They are accused of coming to Bali and helping to mix the chemicals which were turned into the car bomb which exploded outside Kuta's Sari Club.

Sawad claimed to have learned about mixing chemicals in Pakistan.

Prosecutors are yet to decide but it is likely the two men will be charged under Indonesia's anti-terrorism laws.

This means they face the death penalty for their role in making the bomb.

Yesterday's handover, which also included Ghoni's .38 calibre Smith and Wesson revolver and 67 bullets, signals that their trials could start in Bali within six weeks.

Today both men are expected to testify at the trial of Ali Imron, the only repentant bomber among the group.

During yesterday's procedure the two men, handcuffed and dressed in prison clothes, were questioned by prosecutors about their roles in Bali and in other JI bombing campaigns.

Ghoni told prosecutors he had come to Bali to help the bombing.

He said he had received an SMS message telling him to start mixing the chemicals and that he had stayed in Bali mixing the chemicals for three or four days.

Ghoni said during this time he met Mukhlas, the alleged overall controller of the bombings.

He also admitted attending an August meeting in Java, which prosecutors claim was a planning meeting at which roles were assigned to the Bali conspirators.

Ghoni is also accused of transferring the chemicals into the plastic filing cabinets, which were then packed inside the L300 minivan.

Sawad admitted he had mixed the Bali chemicals, saying: "I have mixed chemicals before."

He was coy about who ordered him to mix them, saying "nobody" did.

[2fast4u]

this scumbag needs to shut the hell up like hell hes dragging anti-war protestors into this sh*t he made.

[sbp]

"Say thank you to all of them," Sawad said.

Ah yes, the "Grateful Terrorist". Most certainly they'll be obliged to use a "kinder gentler" style of "dirty bomb" or bio-agent when attacking the homes, the families and the children of their staunchest supporters. I mean, yeah, these people supported the terorists and all, but what they hey, they're still infidels and must die, but like, thanks for the "good vibes" and all.

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The current "anti-war" crowd, which is leftist, anti-American, and anti-semitic, are nothing but sockpuppets for Islamofascists. But they are too stupid, vapid, opportuntistic and self-important to realize it. Or, they are anarchists who hate Western values and success as much as the Islamofascists do. They only serve to empower the Islamofascists...

[2fast4u]

mean, yeah, these people supported the terorists and all

congrats, you just lost all credibility. carry on. we loathe violence like most people do so we are far from ever supporting any cause that would be achieved by such thing as terrorism. how ironic this comes from all these passive war supporters.

but what they hey, they're still infidels and must die

yeh .. i guess thats about what bin laden said to the cia when they gave him weapons in the 80s to fight the commies. hey, he may be a bastard, but hes our bastard!

leftist

to a certain degree. ive seen many people of different origins, age and occupation on several anti-war rallys. its a crowd of common people who protested and still are protesting this war, as usual only the fewest of us are radical leftists like myself.

anti-American

see above. plus i dare you to define "anti-american".

and anti-semitic

NO! that is a sick lie and you know it!

are nothing but sockpuppets for Islamofascists

the old "useful idiots" claim eh? answer me this, who is the real "useful idiot", he who supports established powers by not taking a stand at all or he who gets off his ass and acts for a cause?

opportuntistic

well besides a few unpleasant contacts with the police and lots of verbal clashes so so far ive gained nada out of protesting the war. i dont think economics is ready for me.

self-important

here is a ground rule of anti-war-protestors: you are nothing if you are alone, but everything if you have many that share your cause. so whos self-important?

hate Western values and success as much as the Islamofascists do

classical black and white thinking. if you are not with us, you are a traitor to the whole system and everything. reality is ugly.

[sytaylor]

The guy is trying to help peace as much as the guy who shot the doctor is helping those who are anti abortion..

NOT AT ALL

Someone who is using terrorism to "spread peace" obviously sucks donkey privates..

[vampireuk]

sbp anti war protestors do not support terrorists, please do not try to place us on the same level as a man who kills innocent people for the hell of it.

The current "anti-war" crowd, which is leftist, anti-American, and anti-semitic, are nothing but sockpuppets for Islamofascists

Damn, you managed to convince yourself too?

I'm not Anti-American, I know many people on the right who oppose the war, I'm not anti-emitic and am not a sock puppet for any facist religion ideals. If you believe that statement of yours is true then you are very narrow minded indeed.

"Fighting for peace is like ****ing for virginity"

[1stFlight]

I always love it when the arm-chair generals have to gall to call someone anti-American.

Son, you've got a lot to learn.

[LORD-eX-Bu]

lol, wait, what are you now? arm chair corporal?

Originally posted by 2fast4u
we loathe violence like most people do so we are far from ever supporting any cause that would be achieved by such thing as terrorism.

lol, what about those arabs blowing themselves up? everytime someone brings it up you guys excuse it saying, "oh the other side did this and that, they killed that terrorist so its their fault"

[UDawg]

Hey! He was just thanking his fan base.

/runs like hell

[netviper13]

Originally posted by sbp

The current "anti-war" crowd, which is leftist, anti-American, and anti-semitic, are nothing but sockpuppets for Islamofascists. But they are too stupid, vapid, opportuntistic and self-important to realize it. Or, they are anarchists who hate Western values and success as much as the Islamofascists do. They only serve to empower the Islamofascists...

First, leftist is no more of an insult than rightist, stupid insult at best.

Second, I'm not anti-american; I feel the government has become destructive of its duty to protect our natural rights, thus according to the man whose philosophy this nation is founded on (John Locke), I have a right to oppose the government. Sorry bud, Locke and Jefferson are on my side here. So is Benjamin Franklin, who said "those who would give up essential liberty for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security". Philosophy wins this argument.

Third, I'm nowhere near an anti-semite. I dislike the Israeli government's policies because of their fallacies, not because of the religious and/or regional background of its members. Congratulations, you're only furthering to remove any meaning the term "anti-semite" has by throwing it around. If we called every murder in the world a holocaust, it would lose its significance; the same pricipal applies to anti-semite. But hey, you do love using blanket statements don't you?

Fourth, I am not at all religiously affiliated so I'm about as far away from being supportive of any oppressive religion as they come. Being anti-war is very much the opposite of supporting fascism of any kind. I know this goes against your argumentative theory here, but let's use a small amount of logic: a person who is against war is going to be against a jihad as well as any other kind of war. More blanket statements, too bad they weren't just blankets because I'd be able to sleep outside naked in the winter by now (not that anybody would want to see that ).

Finally, I do prefer some Eastern philosophical values to Western ones. Buddhism is one great example. I greatly respect buddhism more than any other Western relgious philosophy. But I'm not anti-Western Philosophy, what I do think is that the more prominent Western philosophers such as Locke would be rolling over in their graves right now if they saw how things are going. (I've read Locke, Rousseau, and Hobbes; it doesn't get any closer to the US government than Social Contract philosophers).

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
lol, what about those arabs blowing themselves up? everytime someone brings it up you guys excuse it saying, "oh the other side did this and that, they killed that terrorist so its their fault"

that isnt condoning suicide attacks whatsoever.

[vampireuk]

In his little world it is