Don't know much about history...

[jnd3]

I believe this was from one of the weekend protests in England, at Hyde Park. You'd think they'd know better...



Neville Chamberlain, 30 September, 1939:

"We, the German Fuehrer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for two countries and for Europe.

"We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

"We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."

"My good friends this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace in our time."

Cheers,
JND

[sonaboy]

posting a pic of the demostrators alongside a speech by Churchill
about diplomatic assurances from the Nazis in pre-WWII.

If you're somehow suggesting that this International call for peace will inevitably lead to Saddam pulling some sort of invasion into the Eastern Bloc, or East Europe, that's pretty far fetched.

no, i think he's just drawing very general parallels between then and now. many people seem to think Iraq is not a threat, just like they didn't believe Germany was a threat back in 1939.

obviously Saddam isn't going to invade Europe

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by StealthHawk

obviously Saddam isn't going to invade Europe

Of course he's not, he's planning on invading the US!

Don't you listen to King George II at ALL when he puts out his decries?

[Shinri Hikari]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
no, i think he's just drawing very general parallels between then and now. many people seem to think Iraq is not a threat, just like they didn't believe Germany was a threat back in 1939.

obviously Saddam isn't going to invade Europe

Instead He will invade Isreal and set the whole world into a religious war.

[sonaboy]

There's no way Saddam would try and invade against one of the world's most trained armies. The israelies are NOT to be messed with, and he knows it. His army isn't near that capable.
Not even considering he has no real air force, so there's no way he'd get through Jordan's airspace to invade anyway.

He runs a secular state in Iraq too, he has barely any interest in religion issues at all.
He's trapped right where he is, and his army's going nowhere.

I mean..I HOPE you weren't being serious with that remark.

[UDawg]

He was kidding. Look at his smilies. He was showing irony with the "religious war" statement since Saddam is nonreligious, but he does have a messiah complex.

[jnd3]

Originally posted by sonaboy
There's no way Saddam would try and invade against one of the world's most trained armies. The israelies are NOT to be messed with, and he knows it. His army isn't near that capable.
Not even considering he has no real air force, so there's no way he'd get through Jordan's airspace to invade anyway.

He runs a secular state in Iraq too, he has barely any interest in religion issues at all.
He's trapped right where he is, and his army's going nowhere.

I mean..I HOPE you weren't being serious with that remark.

First, Saddam thinks he's the modern version of Nebuchadnezzar (see the book of Daniel in the Bible for the reference). Yes, Iraq is ostensibly a secular state, but how come every time they show stock footage on any news channel, Saddam is going into a mosque to pray?

Second, Saddam would love nothing more than a war with Israel, if only to unite the Arab world under a single leader, a Caliph (i.e., himself). Why do you think the Palestinian "cause" is trumpeted by so much of the Arab world, but they don't do squat to actually help the people (other than sending money to the families of the splodeydopes)? But of course the armies of the Arab world are pretty much useless against Israel. Why do you think he wants nukes? What do you think the Tammuz-1 nuclear facility was for? Why do you think Israel blew it up in 1981?

Check out this flash animation. It's a tribute to Ilan Ramon (the Israeli astronaut who died on the Columbia), so it's definitely coming from a pro-Israel slant. Still some good stuff there, though...

http://www.alisrael.com/tamuz/

No, Saddam Hussein is not going to invade Europe. But he already invaded Kuwait. Same situation, different people, different region. You can't reason with someone who's unreasonable (and Saddam is a few fries short of a Happy Meal).

Cheers,
JND

[sonaboy]

Originally posted by jnd3
First, Saddam thinks he's the modern version of Nebuchadnezzar (see the book of Daniel in the Bible for the reference). Yes, Iraq is ostensibly a secular state, but how come every time they show stock footage on any news channel, Saddam is going into a mosque to pray?

The same reason they show american leaders going into or coming out of a church on sunday in OUR news - to appease the fundamentalists and make it look like he's a humble person. And no, Saddam does NOT think he's some modern version of a biblical figure, he just thinks he's infallible. But he doesn't think he's holy, or a martyr, because his hesitant actions in the region recently suggest he's afraid of dying.

Second, Saddam would love nothing more than a war with Israel, if only to unite the Arab world under a single leader, a Caliph (i.e., himself). Why do you think the Palestinian "cause" is trumpeted by so much of the Arab world, but they don't do squat to actually help the people (other than sending money to the families of the splodeydopes)? But of course the armies of the Arab world are pretty much useless against Israel. Why do you think he wants nukes? What do you think the Tammuz-1 nuclear facility was for? Why do you think Israel blew it up in 1981?

Yeah, maybe Saddam does want a war with Israel. He just doesn't want to fight it. Nor do most other Middle Eastern Arabic republics, because they know who's waiting behind Israel should anyone get out of line - WE ARE. You basically just answered your own question.
Yeah, Saddam wants nukes. So do tons of other countries in the world, but they don't have them. Iraq has no way of building these things at present. Those trucks they're moving around that Powell was so interested in are NOT a mobile nuke lab, like many people are suggesting. There simply isn't any such thing. Nuclear construction is something so delicate and technical, it simply can't be done in small spaces - let alone in a TRUCK that is moved each day. There's no way to secure materials for that kind of transport without ruining the device. The nuclear issue is simply some government elevated hysteria designed to gain approval for this war from the public and Congress.

No, Saddam Hussein is not going to invade Europe. But he already invaded Kuwait. Same situation, different people, different region. You can't reason with someone who's unreasonable (and Saddam is a few fries short of a Happy Meal).

Yeah, he invaded Kuwait, and his country hasn't recovered from it even now - 12 years later. He's crazy? Yes. Stupid enough to try an invasion with resources even more depleted than in the first Gulf War? I seriously doubt it, but we'll see.
When you think about it, Saddam's purported threats are actually more effective than any real action by his armed forces. And he sees this. Which is why we don't need to worry at all about him coming out of a defensive position to INVADE. He simply has no resources to do it, end of story.

[jnd3]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documen..._hussein.shtml

And his use of secret intelligence organisations is matched by his love of highly visible adulation. His features and monuments are all over Iraq. He has even had Nebuchadnezzar's palace rebuilt, with his own name printed on every brick. The West may continue to call for his overthrow, but Saddam Hussein goes on, as defiant and brutal as ever.

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1995/...is.affirm.html

Even if the referendum doesn't convince many in the West of that, it is certain to feed Hussein's brazen personality cult. Nowhere is that more visible than in Babylon, where the Iraqi leader is cast as the modern-day equivalent of King Nebuchadnezzar, the warrior and builder who came to power in 605 B.C. at the tender age of 25.

Hussein, who helped stage a coup at age 31, has restored part of Nebuchadnezzar's 600-room palace. Placed atop some of the original bricks, marked with Nebuchadnezzar's name, are others that declare, "In the era of Saddam Hussein, protector of Iraq, who rebuilt the Royal Palace."

"Nebuchadnezzar was a man of war and peace, just as Saddam Hussein is," said Hadi Kader, a 40-year-old palace tour guide who cast his vote for Hussein in the referendum. "That's why peoplem love him."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search

Cheers,
JND

[LORD-eX-Bu]

Originally posted by sonaboy
posting a pic of the demostrators alongside a speech by Churchill

Its Chamberlain, if it would have been a alongside a speech by Churchill, you would be praising this man

[UDawg]

Churchill was awesome!!!

One time a woman came up to Churchill and said:

"If you were my husband I would poison your tea!"

Churchill replied:

"Madam if you were my wife I would drink it quickly."


LOL! P0wn3d