Carmack's view on vista

stjuart · 01-11-07, 11:10 PM

"Carmack: It’s a tough thing for Microsoft, where, essentially, Windows XP was a just fine operating system. Before that, there were horrible problems with Windows. But once they got there, it did everything an operating system is supposed to do. Nothing is going to help a new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95 to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS. It’s a hardware-interface spec. It’s an artificial thing that they’re doing there. They’re really grasping at straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many more years without having a problem with it." its from an interview he had on game informer.

Funny thing is that i really do think microsoft is trying to force people to upgrade and it may back fire on them and turn into window's ME. I think they would get a better adoption rate if they did it more gradually and made it seem less forced on us.
what do you guys think, on my opinion and Carmack's.

Riplayne · 01-11-07, 11:31 PM

Remember though, Windows Vista is doing alot more for functionality than just gaming.

stjuart · 01-11-07, 11:34 PM

Riplayne, there is no question that vista is offering more than windows xp, but its the method that microsoft is taking that disturbs me the most and i want to find out what you think about it, not the features so much, and also windows is software and anything that is on vista can theoretically be added to xp if you think about it and i think if i understood Carmack thats probably what he meant by it.

Burner_Tbird2 · 01-11-07, 11:41 PM

They should have given users a choice and published a DX10 for XP upgrade. However, they don't have to offer users choice of course because they are basically a monopoly. They can artificially force the market to adapt new tech quickly which boosts profit and encourages obsolescene.

lukrad · 01-12-07, 12:20 AM

Vista is garbage, and i'm not installing it. And Vista is going to have short life, hopefully they replace it in two years.

Alaa · 01-12-07, 12:21 AM

I agree.

Tork64 · 01-12-07, 12:31 AM

the same was said about Windows XP, that it was trash and that they would never ever upgrade from 98, but we all know what happened. As soon as vista is officially released ill be getting my free retail version of windows vista from microsoft and just using that for gaming from now on.

AlphaWolf_HK · 01-12-07, 12:47 AM

I keep hearing people say that vista adds nothing but it seems to me that those people have never tried it very extensively. There are little tidbits here and there that have no press and are actually quite nice. Take for example if one of nvidias newer buggy drivers crashes on you, the new vista kernel has the ability to detect it and kill/restart the driver without giving you some kind of a panic (e.g. BSOD, blank screen, system crash, reboot, etc.) Not even linux does this.

Q · 01-12-07, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaWolf_HK

I keep hearing people say that vista adds nothing but it seems to me that those people have never tried it very extensively. There are little tidbits here and there that have no press and are actually quite nice. Take for example if one of nvidias newer buggy drivers crashes on you, the new vista kernel has the ability to detect it and kill/restart the driver without giving you some kind of a panic (e.g. BSOD, blank screen, system crash, reboot, etc.) Not even linux does this.

Evilghost walks in, roundhouse kicks everyone in the thread in the face Chuck Norris style, then tells us that Linux doesn't crash at all, much less for a driver issue.

icecold1983 · 01-12-07, 01:06 AM

chuck norris doesnt consider it sex if the woman survives

crainger · 01-12-07, 01:17 AM

Chuck Norris has killed more threads here than anyone, including Qlitchford.

Q · 01-12-07, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crainger

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If you go through my post history it's really damn pathetic. There are countless threads that I post in and BAM! they're dead.

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Originally Posted by Master Shake

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I'm the #1 Thread Crapper for a reason, you know.

01-11-07, 11:31 PM	#2
Riplayne Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 165	Re: Carmack's view on vista Remember though, Windows Vista is doing alot more for functionality than just gaming.

01-11-07, 11:34 PM	#3
stjuart Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 511	Re: Carmack's view on vista Riplayne, there is no question that vista is offering more than windows xp, but its the method that microsoft is taking that disturbs me the most and i want to find out what you think about it, not the features so much, and also windows is software and anything that is on vista can theoretically be added to xp if you think about it and i think if i understood Carmack thats probably what he meant by it.

01-11-07, 11:41 PM	#4
Burner_Tbird2 The Objectivist Gamer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 396	Re: Carmack's view on vista They should have given users a choice and published a DX10 for XP upgrade. However, they don't have to offer users choice of course because they are basically a monopoly. They can artificially force the market to adapt new tech quickly which boosts profit and encourages obsolescene. __________________ E6700 @3.4GHz eVGA 8800GTX eVGA 680i 2Gb 6400C4D Silverstone 750W PSU 2x74Gb Raptors in Raid-0 Zalman 9700 http://www.virtualthunderbirds.com PSN: BurnerDeuce Folding For nVNews Team #35216

01-12-07, 12:20 AM	#5
lukrad BANNED Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 220	Re: Carmack's view on vista Vista is garbage, and i'm not installing it. And Vista is going to have short life, hopefully they replace it in two years.

01-12-07, 12:21 AM	#6
Alaa Peace Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 2,834	Re: Carmack's view on vista I agree.

01-11-07, 11:10 PM	#1
stjuart Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 511	Carmack's view on vista "Carmack: It’s a tough thing for Microsoft, where, essentially, Windows XP was a just fine operating system. Before that, there were horrible problems with Windows. But once they got there, it did everything an operating system is supposed to do. Nothing is going to help a new game by going to a new operating system. There were some clear wins going from Windows 95 to Windows XP for games, but there really aren’t any for Vista. They’re artificially doing that by tying DX10 so close it, which is really nothing about the OS. It’s a hardware-interface spec. It’s an artificial thing that they’re doing there. They’re really grasping at straws for reasons to upgrade the operating system. I suspect I could run XP for a great many more years without having a problem with it." its from an interview he had on game informer. Funny thing is that i really do think microsoft is trying to force people to upgrade and it may back fire on them and turn into window's ME. I think they would get a better adoption rate if they did it more gradually and made it seem less forced on us. what do you guys think, on my opinion and Carmack's. Last edited by stjuart; 01-11-07 at 11:20 PM.

01-12-07, 12:31 AM	#7
Tork64 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 447	Re: Carmack's view on vista the same was said about Windows XP, that it was trash and that they would never ever upgrade from 98, but we all know what happened. As soon as vista is officially released ill be getting my free retail version of windows vista from microsoft and just using that for gaming from now on. __________________ Intel Core 2 Duo e6600 G.SKILL 2GB DDR2 800 EVGA GeForce 8800GTS SC 320MB Samsung Widescreen 920bw Vista / XP Pro

01-12-07, 12:47 AM	#8
AlphaWolf_HK My avatar is NSFW Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 12,104	Re: Carmack's view on vista I keep hearing people say that vista adds nothing but it seems to me that those people have never tried it very extensively. There are little tidbits here and there that have no press and are actually quite nice. Take for example if one of nvidias newer buggy drivers crashes on you, the new vista kernel has the ability to detect it and kill/restart the driver without giving you some kind of a panic (e.g. BSOD, blank screen, system crash, reboot, etc.) Not even linux does this. __________________ "I hate conservatives, but I really fcking hate liberals." -- Matt Stone*

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