Here’s one for DiscipleDOC

[sillyeagle]

I’m sure you saw my other post to you in the “experiencing” thread, where I quoted the Orthodox Christian master Archimandrite Dionysios saying this:

Originally Posted by Archimandrite Dionysios

Ego is the very core seed that gives us the I perception. Yet on some level it is the tool that allows for its full annihilation, which is Buddha Nirvana.

In addition to his recognition of the Buddha and the Buddha’s state of egoless Nirvana, he speaks about the qualities of someone who has gone beyond (transcended) the ego, and by its very definition “enlightenment” IS the transcendence of Ego.

So here we have an Orthodox Christian Elder not only recognizing the Buddha as enlightened, he is also speaking about the qualities found in other enlightened individuals.

After reading this material your view that "Jesus would never recognize buddha as a "master", He would have recognized budda as someone that needed to confess his sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour", seems a little off base.

Originally Posted by Archimandrite Dionysios

Question: There has been a long-standing lineage of illumined spiritual fathers, great individuals who have demonstrated with their own lives the possibility of destroying the ego and discovering a new life in God. What are the marks of one who has won the spiritual battle? How does the expression of the personality change in one who has truly gone beyond the ego?

Dionysios: He’s ready for everything always. He never is or says or feels that he’s tired. He has joy. He’s always ready to give. He exists only for others. He’s ready to serve everybody. He does not judge anybody, including the deepest sinner. He’s there as a child, but as a child of a king. Who can touch the son of a king? Who can touch a newborn lion knowing that the mother lion is nearby? Being this way, you’re like a small lamb among the wolves, but you’re not afraid. You’re there offering, receiving everybody, loving, serving, praying for everybody and being ready to die in each moment, and in that, you’re totally and completely free. All these are fruits of love because we become the source of love. So is a man without ego. This is the transformation. It’s like we are a wild old tree and we need something to come into us and transform this tree into a good fruitful tree. A man without ego is a man with God, is a man with the Holy Spirit.

When you are ready to die for everybody in each moment, when you love, when you respect, when you prostrate to the other, it’s like you prepare him to be ready for an operation; but it’s not that you judge the other or feel that he needs something from you. When you are perfect before Him—and we can be perfect; in fact, we have to be perfect; it’s the principal need—then right away people need it, know it, understand it. Very quickly everybody comes to take a seat in front of such a person, in front of a spiritual son or a spiritual father.

Question: Is it also your experience that a spiritual father who has truly gone beyond the ego not only inspires people to reach for their highest potential but also presents the ultimate challenge to the ego of those who come to see him?

Dionysios: Absolutely. In fact, in the presence of such a person, the devil comes out straightaway. And you can see very clearly how the devil makes people crazy or angry or disrespectful when you haven’t even said anything. Just because you are there, they explode. And you can see terrible things in people where otherwise you would see only kind people with ties and gold jewelry. When someone appears who embodies the spirit of God, there you can see what you could see when Jesus was walking in the streets. The devils who were in the people said, “Whoa, who are you? You came here to put us in trouble.” Some were scandalized by him, others were thinking about how to kill him, and still others were thinking things against him. He was speaking not to what they said but to what they were thinking. And the same Holy Spirit exists in the spiritual fathers, and it can also create this kind of confrontation. This happens because the other person understands that he cannot play with this man. He cannot hide from this man.

[nVJoe]

Originally Posted by sillyeagle

I’m sure you saw my other post to you in the “experiencing” thread, where I quoted the Orthodox Christian master Archimandrite Dionysios saying this:



In addition to his recognition of the Buddha and the Buddha’s state of egoless Nirvana, he speaks about the qualities of someone who has gone beyond (transcended) the ego, and by its very definition “enlightenment” IS the transcendence of Ego.

So here we have an Orthodox Christian Elder not only recognizing the Buddha as enlightened, he is also speaking about the qualities found in other enlightened individuals.

After reading this material your view that "Jesus would never recognize buddha as a "master", He would have recognized budda as someone that needed to confess his sins and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour", seems a little off base.

So you are saying that what Jesus taught is off-base because another man who followed Jesus had a different on enightenment? Archimandrite Dionysios is just a man full of flaws and sin. Jesus was God in the flesh. I would much rather follow the Word of God than the opinion of a man.

Now with regards to his opinion on Buddah, this is nothing new. Just because two different religions converge on a line of thought does not mean that in Archimandrite Dionysios, he agrees with Buddah on salvation. For one Buddah does not believe in salvation. You are taking this out of context with the whole spectrum of Archimandrite Dionysios' beliefs.

In your belief system you lump all great "masters" together. This twisted view of consciousness. Christian doctrine does not fit in with anything you are professing. If Jesus is who he said He was then He cannot be just another "master". He has to be either insane, a wonderful liar or exactly who He said He is.

[mynakedrat]

wow.
you can think and measure all the water in the sea, still the blessings of the buddha are innumerable when you give your heart to love,

there are more than tens of millions of budhas in ten directions, across the entire universe, who lives by the soul(lol) fact that they each offers peace and salvation to all sentient beings.
and we all are , by our own human/divine/natrual ground of being, GODS IN FLESH.
But y do so many people want to be a god.... i think i would get bored after a few million aeons

[mynakedrat]

yeah, and the buddha is the confessor of all sins, he is the redeemer, and he did give his life to jesus christ(knower-self) and saviour(universal soul)
buddha just never met the man, because that was in THE FUTURE for someone born 2600 years or so ago.

like a baby not being able to understand god and church dies, so must he confess his sins and pray to jesus christ and be saved, or that infant will be tortured and damned?

[nVJoe]

Originally Posted by mynakedrat

yeah, and the buddha is the confessor of all sins, he is the redeemer, and he did give his life to jesus christ(knower-self) and saviour(universal soul)
buddha just never met the man, because that was in THE FUTURE for someone born 2600 years or so ago.

like a baby not being able to understand god and church dies, so must he confess his sins and pray to jesus christ and be saved, or that infant will be tortured and damned?

One does not pray to Jesus. One prays to God through Jesus who intercedes for us because we are impure.

[methimpikehoses]

Originally Posted by nVJoe

Christian doctrine does not fit in with anything you are professing. If Jesus is who he said He was then He cannot be just another "master". He has to be either insane, a wonderful liar or exactly who He said He is.

True.

[DiscipleDOC]

Originally Posted by nVJoe

So you are saying that what Jesus taught is off-base because another man who followed Jesus had a different on enightenment? Archimandrite Dionysios is just a man full of flaws and sin. Jesus was God in the flesh. I would much rather follow the Word of God than the opinion of a man.

Now with regards to his opinion on Buddah, this is nothing new. Just because two different religions converge on a line of thought does not mean that in Archimandrite Dionysios, he agrees with Buddah on salvation. For one Buddah does not believe in salvation. You are taking this out of context with the whole spectrum of Archimandrite Dionysios' beliefs.

In your belief system you lump all great "masters" together. This twisted view of consciousness. Christian doctrine does not fit in with anything you are professing. If Jesus is who he said He was then He cannot be just another "master". He has to be either insane, a wonderful liar or exactly who He said He is.

I have shown sillyeagle where he was mistaken....Jesus never called anyone "master" (except God the Father), and He never referred to anyone else as even a great teacher. Heck, the Sillyone never even answered my question as to why didn't his own disciples ascend to a higher conscience level? Don't you think He would want his disciples to have it?

And as for your other thread, I didn't read too much into it because your logic does not apply to me. And if it doesn't apply, I do not even waste my time.

[rhink]

Originally Posted by nVJoe

One does not pray to Jesus. One prays to God through Jesus who intercedes for us because we are impure.

Why not? God == Jesus, Jesus == God. Same being.

[DiscipleDOC]

Originally Posted by rhink

Why not? God == Jesus, Jesus == God. Same being.

This is a whole new topic all together.

Rhink, are you saved?

[sillyeagle]

I'm surprised you guys don't give more credence to the word of your Church Elders. An Archimandrite is a very reverend position within the Church.

Not even knowing this man you can ignorantly claim he is full of sins and flaws, but you should realize he is one who has lived his entire life as Christian Monk, dedicated to the monastic life of purification, ineterior correction, and the renouncement of worldy pursuite to dedicate his life fully to spiritual work.

[rhink]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDOC

This is a whole new topic all together.

Rhink, are you saved?

Yes- and that doesn't answer the question- I'm very curious why nvJoe feels that way.

[AlphaWolf_HK]

Originally Posted by sillyeagle

I'm surprised you guys don't give more credence to the word of your Church Elders.

I think its because unlike you, they recognize that just because somebody is an elder doesn't make them absolute. Remember that "spiritual master" you posted about being so great, and then I found a piece about him putting a woman on a leash and kicking her in the butt in public?