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Old 09-13-03, 11:56 PM   #1
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Default Who says ATI cards have trouble w/old games?

I've seen posted here some comments regarding ATI's performance in older games, saying how ATI's latest and greatest can't cope with blasts from the past. I was inclined to believe it myself...until I actually found some of my classic stuff and turned my 9500 loose on them. Here are my results:

Oni - Perfect. Issues with dynamic lights shining through walls was solved in the 3.4 Cats.

GLQuake - Perfect.

NFS: High Stakes - Took some tweaking, but it runs perfect on XP Pro. To put it in perspective, no amount of tweaking could get this game to run on my 5900 in XP. No-cd cracks didn't work, nothing.

Shogo - Perfect. Another case of no tweaking needed. To get this game to run on NVIDIA cards, I would first have to disable vsync in Direct3D. Then I would have to make adjustments to my config file because disabling vsync would cause the audio to run out-of-sync with the game action. None of these adjustments were necessary on my 9500.

I plan to install NFS: Porsche Unleashed to see how that fares, but I'm not anticipating any trouble.

If anyone else here has other older games (like 1998-2000 era) please post your results with your respective ATI cards.
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Old 09-14-03, 04:37 AM   #2
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I just installed shogo the other day and have had a hard time running it... it wouldn't work at all on my old GF2, so i havent played it since i had my Voodoo2... well, it freezes sometimes for no reason on my G4. I was wondering how my upcoming 9800 would go, hopefully it will be good.. because that was a pretty cool game, and the graphics are really quite impressive for the time!

When i get my 9800 i will test afew old games, and post how i go here. Good idea.
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Old 09-14-03, 09:51 AM   #3
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Installed Porsche Unleashed this morning and it runs perfectly. 1280x1024, all options maxed is smooth goodness.


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I just installed shogo the other day and have had a hard time running it... it wouldn't work at all on my old GF2, so i havent played it since i had my Voodoo2... well, it freezes sometimes for no reason on my G4. I was wondering how my upcoming 9800 would go, hopefully it will be good.. because that was a pretty cool game, and the graphics are really quite impressive for the time!
Did you try disabling vsync in your NVIDIA drivers when playing? That's typically been the #1 cause of people's problems with Shogo. The control to do this isn't enabled by default when you install the Detonator drivers. Do a Google search for Coolbits, download the registry file, install it, then you'll be able to control this. The option is located under the Direct3D tab by clicking on the "more Direct3D" button. I've been able to run Shogo successfully on my laptop (GeForce4 MX 440 based) with the latest drivers without any problems.

A little OT, but Shogo IMO is one of the most underrated games of all time. It had an engaging story and some of the most gorgeous visual effects at the time. I remember a friend of mine running the game on his TNT and being absolutely stunned by the lighting. It looked way better on his card than it did on my Voodoo Banshee.
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Yeah, well, tell this to my 9x00 trying to run Nocturne (thee most under-rated game ever... well... close).
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I haven't had any problems in my own experience, and I got a pretty extensive library of older games. (They weren't "older" when I got em... )
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Yeah, well, tell this to my 9x00 trying to run Nocturne (thee most under-rated game ever... well... close).
I downloaded the Nocturne demo and it ran just fine for me. It was dark as hell, but I could figure out what was going on. There were no major graphical errors to speak of, and performance was good.

And digi, can you post a sample of some older games you have that run well for you? I want to have something of a list going here.
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well... 4 games does not dispel the myth. I've run into problems with all Torque engine games, so that includes Tribes 2.

then again, Marathon 2 runs fine.
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NFS: High Stakes - Took some tweaking, but it runs perfect on XP Pro. To put it in perspective, no amount of tweaking could get this game to run on my 5900 in XP. No-cd cracks didn't work, nothing.
I find this kinda hard to believe since This game doesnt work in D3d for my brothers Geforce 4 card, But he uses a glide wrapper and it ran fine. Did you try evoodoo? I guess I consider a wrapper a tweaker.
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well... 4 games does not dispel the myth. I've run into problems with all Torque engine games, so that includes Tribes 2.
I downloaded the Tribes 2 demo. OpenGL in 32-bit color doesn't work. But OGL in 16-bit and D3D in 16- and 32-bit both work fine. But I think Tribes 2 is a steaming load of you-know-what in terms of graphics, gameplay and well...everything.

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I find this kinda hard to believe since This game doesnt work in D3d for my brothers Geforce 4 card, But he uses a glide wrapper and it ran fine. Did you try evoodoo? I guess I consider a wrapper a tweaker.
I never tried a Glide wrapper. But I'm thinking this is more of an XP issue than a game one. Back in my GeForce3/Windows 98 days, the game would run just fine in D3D. But on XP with my 9500, I have full D3D and 32-bit color support. Only problem is I don't have the option to select 1280x1024 resolution, but that's not a huge deal.
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[b]I downloaded the Tribes 2 demo. OpenGL in 32-bit color doesn't work. But OGL in 16-bit and D3D in 16- and 32-bit both work fine. But I think Tribes 2 is a steaming load of you-know-what in terms of graphics, gameplay and well...everything.



I never tried a Glide wrapper. But I'm thinking this is more of an XP issue than a game one. Back in my GeForce3/Windows 98 days, the game would run just fine in D3D. But on XP with my 9500, I have full D3D and 32-bit color support. Only problem is I don't have the option to select 1280x1024 resolution, but that's not a huge deal.
I believe this is an XP driver thing too. As I'm Familiar with it and NFS Hot Persuit and High Stakes.

my 8500 plays it and so does my 9500. But my brother used a Glide wrapper. to Play it on a Geforce 4 Ti 4200. And it worked fine. Way better than playing it with our Voodoo2 in gide anyway
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I downloaded the Tribes 2 demo. OpenGL in 32-bit color doesn't work. But OGL in 16-bit and D3D in 16- and 32-bit both work fine. But I think Tribes 2 is a steaming load of you-know-what in terms of graphics, gameplay and well...everything.
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Ok, how about even older ?

I'm trying to run POD, Remember that ?

I loved it, and it was a real showcase for my Voodoo card.

But in WinME, AND WinXP, it just doesn't work.

Could be a DX thing, or could be a Radeon thing.

Anyway

Croc - Works
Aquanox - works a treat
Blood2 - Works a treat, as does blood1 via a glide emulator
Colin McRae2 - works, and at 1600x1200 with 4xAA and 8xAF
Descent 3 - works a treat at 1600x1200 4aa 8af
Driver - works great, same as above
Forsaken - This runs stupidly fast, and is butter smooth at 1280x960
Quake2 - Works great, and the new cell shaded Q2MAX works great.
Kingpin - Works great, highest res, 4aa 8af
Motorhead - Top racing game, totally underrated, via 3.1 patch works superb at 1600x1200 4aa 8af
Need for Speed 3 - Works great, looks a bit dated.
Oni - works great.
Shogo - Works great, but this does look old.
Red Baron 2 - Woks amazing via Openglide and R9700 Pro.
Re-Volt - 1600x1200, 6xaa 16xaf, super smooth.
Sacrifice - Works great, super smooth.
Jedi Outcast - Super smooth, 4xaa 8xaf
Unreal - Via openGL UT patch, works super smooth, 1280x960 4aa 8af
Ultimate Race Pro - Super smooooth, 1024x768 max res, 4aa 8af
Redline Racer - Super smooth, altough looks better via openglide.
Tombraider 2 - Looks very dated, still great game, super smooth.
Tombraider 1 - Via DOS glide emulator, runs amazing, looks great at 4aa 8af
Tombraider 3 - Same as above.
Powerslide - Runs super smooth, 4aa 8af
Homeworld - Smooth at max res, 4aa 8af
Nomad Soul (Omnicron) - Has some slight stuttering, but works great.
Midtown Madness 1 - Amazingly smooth at 1600x1200 4aa 8af
Deus Ex - Runs great at 1600x1200
Heavy Metal Fakk2 - Still looks great, but runs super smooth.

Hope that helps, all run on both WinME and WinXP. Although not all on WinXP.
Catalyst 3.6 and 3.7, all ran them pretty much artifact free, and minimal stuttering.
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