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Old 04-12-03, 03:51 PM   #1
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Question New Card just for Linux

Hi, I have a ATI radeon 7500 right now and have gotten sick of trying to make it work with winex... I'm a bit confused about what nvidia card to replace it with. I want to spend less than $200, i was originally considering a 5200FX ultra, but found out they are basically MX's, so now I'm looking at the 4800SE's (gainward oem one for $164@newegg).

I just wanna be able to play everquest in linux at the same level of performance, preferably higher, than what I got w/my 7500 in windows. System specs are as follows:

XP1700
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Gentoo linux w/gaming-sources kernel 2.4.20-r1
(installed f/stage-1, running xf86 4.3 and openbox)

Will the 4800SE fulflill my needs? How much easier/better are nvidia's linux drivers than ati's?

Sorry if this isn't very coherent, spent all last night trying to get DRI workin on this POS radeon. :P
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Old 04-13-03, 04:08 AM   #2
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Nvidia cards also dont have a very good support and i would suggest go for some card with open source drivers as that would have much better linux support.
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Old 04-13-03, 06:20 AM   #3
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i for myself had no problems with any nvidia video card i installed under linux. i rather had problems with the open source drivers and very recent video cards. (generell problem in linux with recent hardware )

i think it is most likely very dependent on which distribution you use. (i prefer Slackware or LFS over RH and SuSE and _never_ had any problems regarding nvidia video cards - and i am running a network with 20+ machines)
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Old 04-13-03, 07:49 AM   #4
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It also depends on your motherboard's AGP chipset. Buggy AGP implementations still abound, and still cause problems.

Don't get the 4800 if you're only thinking of using it because it has AGP 8x on it. Even if your ECS motherboard has an AGP 8x slot (which I doubt), the implementation of AGP 3.0 in the drivers isn't all that great. Hopefully it's getting better in the agpgart driver, but I don't know for sure, you'd have to track the kernel changelog.
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Old 04-13-03, 11:05 AM   #5
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EDIT: I don't care about marketing hyberbole(AGP8x)
Right now I'm using my the new drivers that came out in X4.3.0 and im getting 115 frames per second, I had them working before, but had to recompile my kernel for ALSA/Samba/vfat support. So I just want a company that provides regular, decent drivers. Its funny, rage3d users are drooling over some drivers released at some german site for the FireGL line of cards that can be hacked to work w/8500-9700 radeons, thats how pitiful ati support is, even with an open source liscense.
It was my understanding, and from visiting this forum and seeing andy's post everywhere I think I'm right, that nvidia had much better support, at least they seem to work on their drivers.
bwkaz: so would a GF4 4400 be basically the same as the 4800SE?
EDIT: Would there be any benefit from going w/a 4800SE over a 4400? Cause they are the same price on pricewatch...

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Old 04-13-03, 11:35 AM   #6
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I am not sure on all the differences, but I believe the only main one (and this is just from a couple of ads I've seen, so for whatever that's worth -- probably not much...) is that the 4800SE just supports AGP 8x. AFAIK that's the only difference.

Perhaps the amount of (or the clock speed of) video memory is different, too, I don't know.

Personally, my "really-want" card in the GF4 line is the Ti4600, but the 4400 isn't all that bad. It should work, at least. I've got an MSI Ti4200, which works pretty well.
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Old 04-13-03, 11:52 AM   #7
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Thanks for the quick reply is there any difference between the 4600 and 4400 other than clockspeed? I ask because the 4800SE gainward model comes overclocked very close to stock 4600 speeds. costs only 164@newegg for the OEM version w/3.6 ns ram or 199 for retail w/3.3ns.
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Old 04-13-03, 02:16 PM   #8
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Nvidia cards also dont have a very good support and i would suggest go for some card with open source drivers as that would have much better linux support.
nvidia cards have great support.
Both ATI and nvidia have good support in the latest XFree 4.3 and nvidia has a good closed source binary driver that supports most (or all) of their current chipsets.
I don't the current status of the ATI linux binaries but there was a time that they were slow to support new cards under Linux.

ATI seemed to have a history of not being very nice to Linux (maybe they were were more high profile than nvidia since there were more ATI cards in use earlier on).
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Old 04-13-03, 02:55 PM   #9
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I have a riva TNT2 card and i even after doing everything posible i am not able to get full 3D acceleration from my card. After installing nvidia drivers it shows my card has 3d support but glxgears output is very bad (200 FPS) and i am not able to play games like racer as i get a very low fps (i can play similiar games in windows). My friend has a GeForce 4 440 SE and even after installing nvidia drivers he cant get fps above above 700 in glxgears in default window size.
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Old 04-13-03, 04:39 PM   #10
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is there any difference between the 4600 and 4400 other than clockspeed?
I do not believe there's a difference. It's the same chipset, the GF4 Ti (NV25).
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Old 04-13-03, 06:27 PM   #11
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I would not reccomend an ati card in linux. first, if you have an nforce2, AGP doesnt work.

second, TVout doesnt work.

third, ati doesnt respond to emails regarding linux drivers

fourth, winex is broken w/ ati cards (should be fixed soon).

I had a radeon9500 in linux for 2 months and i just couldnt take the awfulsupport anymore and sold it.

Now i've got a gf4 and its much better supported. IMO Nvidia is the only way to go in linux.

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Old 04-14-03, 01:49 AM   #12
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Nvidia is definitely the only way to go f you use Linux. I have a TI4600 card and have had no problems whatsoever. I've run UT2003 in Red Hat and Slackware without a hitch. Also have a KT400 based MB.
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