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Old 06-09-08, 04:50 PM   #145
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Allright, now.

I tried the new 173.14.05 drivers under Mandriva 2008.1 and I still have terrible performances and that same laggy compiz.
I even get that kind of CPU (Intel Core2 Duo T7300) behaviour while scrolling down in Firefox on ubuntu-fr.org :



Once again, please, could any Nvidia techie just make a statement on this 8400M GS issue.
I just want to know what's the problem and when it will be fixed (or if it will be fixed, or if it CAN be fixed...).
I have had obvious performances issues with each and every single driver release on all distros I've tried (Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora and Suse).
...and I don't think it's just a "8400M GS"-problem, more like a 8xxx-problem, so I think there are a lot of users who would like some kind of statement from nvidia, I for one.
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Old 06-10-08, 12:18 AM   #146
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...and I don't think it's just a "8400M GS"-problem, more like a 8xxx-problem, so I think there are a lot of users who would like some kind of statement from nvidia, I for one.
The problem is, NVIDIA ignores the problem.
And we didn't have any deadline.

Maybe the reputation of NVIDIA is to good !!

Please write your comments to hardware test magazines !
Please write you comments to PC Manufacturer with Linux support, like Dell.com

I think we need more public attention.

Some pubic tests are better than this crying here.

Directly comparisons between NVIDIA, ATI, INTEL (future) for 2D and 3D
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Old 06-10-08, 05:56 AM   #147
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One last time, for all the people here
who are either blind or just not able to read:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...2&postcount=42
(Those not able to read might want to get a screenreader
or a person who reads this post for them)

So would you please mind to shut up and don't tell everybody that nvidia ignores the problem and there is no official statement,
digging up threads that should be dead for weeks.

Thank you.

And for the "oh, it is so much better on $open_source_driver":
switch. It isn't at all, but at least you shut up then.

Sorry for the rather unfriendly words.

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Old 06-10-08, 06:10 AM   #148
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One last time, for all the people here
who are either blind or just not able to read:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...2&postcount=42
(Those not able to read might want to get a screenreader
or a person who reads this post for them)

So would you please mind to shut up and don't tell everybody that nvidia ignores the problem and there is no official statement,
digging up threads that should be dead for weeks.

Thank you.

And for the "oh, it is so much better on $open_source_driver":
switch. It isn't at all, but at least you shut up then.

Sorry for the rather unfriendly words.

Fuchs
They stated this problem more than half year ago and did nothing! So, we should warn people to avoid this firm with their crappy drivers and support.
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Old 06-10-08, 11:20 AM   #149
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One last time, for all the people here
who are either blind or just not able to read:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...2&postcount=42
(Those not able to read might want to get a screenreader
or a person who reads this post for them)

So would you please mind to shut up and don't tell everybody that nvidia ignores the problem and there is no official statement,
digging up threads that should be dead for weeks.

Thank you.

And for the "oh, it is so much better on $open_source_driver":
switch. It isn't at all, but at least you shut up then.

Sorry for the rather unfriendly words.

Fuchs
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We are aware that many Linux users are having performance problems with 2D rendering on the GeForce 8 and 9 series. A good user experience is very important to us, and we have several X performance improvements in development that will help KDE 4, Compiz, and GTK+ performance on these GPUs. Some of these improvements will be available in the short term, while others are longer-term architectural improvements.

Thank you for your feedback.
1. Well, take this as a feedback.
2. This thread was started to claim some performance problems with 3D rendering, NOT 2D. (even if 2D is just as ****ty as 3D)
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Old 06-10-08, 11:37 PM   #150
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We are talking about this card: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4223
So my feelings about it are mixed.
One part of me feels sad that a chipset which has been available for more than a year and which is a very decent hardware is still so underexploited.
The other part has hope that it means we eventually WILL obtain the performance level that the hardware is capable to provide, given enough time.
Having an official post explaining they are actually working on it is a very positive thing, I just hope that those improvements will arrive before I actually get my next laptop in a year or two...
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Old 06-13-08, 05:09 PM   #151
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Hmm, I think a benchmark comparison between intel and nvidia should do it, I think it is time to slashdot it. I was hoping for something that is actually usable with the latest 173 release, but oh well, still the same old crappy performance.

If many of us writes to slashdot, we might have a chance to get it public. so please complain there as well.

nvidia keeps ignoring linux users and their statement is nonsense as they don't back it up with work. nvidia failed to answer its customers and all what it has in mind right now is to be bought by intel or buy/fusion with via! the future is CPUGPU and without an x86 chip they are going to sink.

Good luck!
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Old 06-13-08, 08:33 PM   #152
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Andy posted about about this nearly a month and a half ago:

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Dear nvnews forum users,

We are aware that many Linux users are having performance problems with 2D rendering on the GeForce 8 and 9 series. A good user experience is very important to us, and we have several X performance improvements in development that will help KDE 4, Compiz, and GTK+ performance on these GPUs. Some of these improvements will be available in the short term, while others are longer-term architectural improvements.

Thank you for your feedback.
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The 173.14.05 driver has some performance enhancements already (see the sticky threads), and more are planned for future releases.
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Old 06-14-08, 03:06 AM   #153
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Andy posted about about this nearly a month and a half ago:


(http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...2&postcount=42)

The 173.14.05 driver has some performance enhancements already (see the sticky threads), and more are planned for future releases.
But users suffer from low performance for more than half a year and you answered them after few months. GF8 series were released long ago and drivers for this cards are piece of crap. Great support nvidia, really... It's just parody
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Old 06-14-08, 04:03 AM   #154
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But users suffer from low performance for more than half a year and you answered them after few months. GF8 series were released long ago and drivers for this cards are piece of crap. Great support nvidia, really... It's just parody
I think exactly the same.
The time is the problem.

Compared to my previous GF7950 is the nVidia G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2) 2D performance unbearable slowly.

We have two computers, so I bought for the recent computer (my one) a recent card.

But it is was so unbearable slowly with KDE, Firefox and Flash that i have replace it back with my previous GF7950 from my sons computer.

Now I have my GF7950 back, but my son have now the unbearable slowly desktop.

And this since a half year with a extremely expensive card.

So please understand us.

The 8800 series, codenamed G80, was launched on November 8, 2006 with the release of the GeForce 8800 GTX and GTS. A 320 MB GTS was released on February 12 and the Ultra was released on May 2, 2007.

This is many time to write driver.

And now to my surprise, I feel a small improvement with:
nvidia-settings -a InitialPixmapPlacement=2 -a GlyphCache=1

See:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...2&postcount=17

together with the actual drivers (173.14.05-1).
debian packages available from svn repository:
svn co svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-nvidia/packages/nvidia-graphics-drivers nvidia-graphics-drivers

Why is GlyphCache=1 not by default on or usable from xorg.conf?

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Old 06-17-08, 06:26 AM   #155
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I have tried the new 173.14.09 and as expected it doesn't resolve the slow performance issues. The problem seems to be tied to the CPU overhead, the driver is issuing a lot of transfer commands and that's why the performance is so lame. when running the CPU at 800MHz I get, and with lousy theme 241 s with gtkperf. when running it at 2GHz, I get 102 s. So nVidia! I guess we are all tired of asking you, when are you going to fix this problem? in the future? what future? when we are all 80 years old?

Every time I get into linux I regret I v ever bought an nvidia chip laptop. I guess I m not alone in that.
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Old 06-25-08, 08:38 AM   #156
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Same problem for me on my Quadro NVS 135M (~8400M GS)

It's a pity to use linux on these conditions, poor 2D, slow firefox, ultra slow flash,
slow window switching

I tried a lot of things/drivers to correct it without success.
I regret my **bad** intel GMA in my last laptop.

No one find a solution? Is nvidia working on this issue?

Thank you
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