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Old 04-14-03, 02:02 PM   #13
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You sound like you bought all the PR that's been thrown around lately.

Some of us don't even want "a little" bit of IQ downgraded even if it is for a massive performance increase.

I can't even begin to critique your statement.

Every end user WILL NOT accept this, every end user SHOULD NOT accept this. You do not talk for everyone, remember that.

You make it sound like cheating SHOULD be acceptable.
Actually, who cares if you cheat without getting caught and that you do it nearly everywhere? Heck, I'm pretty sure nVidia will optimize a lot of other games similarly - the GFFX is way too complex to allow games to do things properly

If nVidia didn't cheat everywhere, then it'd be another matter. But they do. So damn, the problem isn't that they're cheating.

The problem is *only* IQ. What we care about, as gamers, is IQ. Of course, as techies, other things matter, but that's really not the primary concern IMO ( feel free to have a different opinion - but then accept mine too. )
Sorry for saying that it isn't a problem to have slightly lower IQ. Probably was lame there... I think, however, that the users should be given the option of a little bit less IQ to get more performance - I did say *option* here. Reviewers should use their best judgement to use the best setting.

And on the topic of IQ - after rechecking the screenshots, I'm not even too sure it's worse than 43.03 anymore...

http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/tip&...h/iq/game4.jpg
http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0304/4351.jpg

The 43.51 looks just as good as the 43.03, it seems Didn't check compared to a R300 yet, though.


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Old 04-14-03, 02:23 PM   #14
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im going to assume that the pics are taken at different frames because some things are missing and the colors also look saturated (looks like someone turned up the brightness/gamma)
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Old 04-14-03, 02:41 PM   #15
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You sound like you bought all the PR that's been thrown around lately.

Some of us don't even want "a little" bit of IQ downgraded even if it is for a massive performance increase.

I can't even begin to critique your statement.

Every end user WILL NOT accept this, every end user SHOULD NOT accept this. You do not talk for everyone, remember that.

You make it sound like cheating SHOULD be acceptable.

My apologies Scott.
agreed.

nvidia has been so afraid to be confident in the need to engineer an entirely new product and keep just trying to play the race game with ATi and its making them look bad over and over again.

nvidia, take your time. your not being faster than ATi would be fine with most of us if you showcased feature-set and scaleability and the other things that make the FX special. trying to beat ATi while they use a very mature chip like R3xx is devestating and probably impossible for awhile.

nvidia, stop the insanity and get a grip on your market relations. your cooler than this.
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Old 04-14-03, 02:53 PM   #16
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Though i dont have the best eyes,

http://www.darkcrow.co.kr/image/news/0304/4351.jpg

looks the same as when i run 3dmark03 on my 9800Pro

thats my 2cents =0
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Old 04-14-03, 04:30 PM   #17
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that link provided continues to show 'discoloration' in the sky compared to other driver sets..

though it is less so than before...
the sky looks the same to me

old driver with no cheating
new performance optimized driver

on the subject of "cheating." unless image quality is being taken away, I don't consider it cheating.
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Exactley, first they were cheating because the nature demo IQ was a bit dodgy looking. Now the image quality looks fine people are still saying they are cheating because the 3dmark is just as good and thats what nvidia are like . Im just wondering after the WHQL driver is released what more people will want to convince them nvidia are back on track??

Incidentiall the newer drivers give me a higher score with the Quality setting than they did before. So the IQ is back to normal and i get a few more marks to boot.
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Exactley, first they were cheating because the nature demo IQ was a bit dodgy looking. Now the image quality looks fine people are still saying they are cheating because the 3dmark is just as good and thats what nvidia are like . Im just wondering after the WHQL driver is released what more people will want to convince them nvidia are back on track??

Incidentiall the newer drivers give me a higher score with the Quality setting than they did before. So the IQ is back to normal and i get a few more marks to boot.
I think people are confusing cheating with optimizing. or they just like to nit pick.

as an aside, I would like to know if nvidia fixed the problems with PS2.0 with these drivers.
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agreed, if image quality is lowered then it is most definitely cheating.

take the driver challenge. the sky looks the same. see post with the two links labelled "old driver with no cheating
new performance optimized drive"

the trees look different, but I'm not sure which shot is supposed to be "correct." it looks like the leaves are just in different places.
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i will post a dx9 sdk reference rasterizer image to compare it to in a few hours (yea it takes that long)...
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also, could someone tell me how to make the animated images?
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Using GIF is a BAD idea. The GIF format is limited to 256 colours, no way you can properly judge the quality of the screenshots.

A better format would be MNG, the sister format of PNG that has animation support just like GIF and supports 24bit colour like PNG or JPEG. Unfortunately, because of MS lazyness or whatever reason only known to the IE for Windows team, there's no MNG support in IE and poor PNG support, while Mozilla based browsers FULLY support both MNG and PNG features.
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i was planning on using MNG...

but i just realized the reference 5800 pic is a GIF, so could someone with a 5800 take a PNG screen cap of frame 800 in 3dmark03's nature...

the rasterizer is still going at it, just a few more HOURS to go
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