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Old 08-20-02, 01:16 AM   #1
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Default 9700 is great, shouldn't it be better?

These benchies are confusing me...
Please don't go flaming now, I love what this card can do, but something's up...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
The 9700 only beats the GF4 in Comanche4 by 3fps @ 1600!
And JK2 by 15fps @ 1600...
the GF4 beat the 9700 on both @ 1024 as well...
Did I miss something?
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Old 08-20-02, 01:41 AM   #2
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I'm not sure of the explanation, but I do know that the gap widens considerably when AA and Aniso are used.
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Old 08-20-02, 02:09 AM   #3
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its because the benchmark is CPU limited.


look here: http://www.gamersdepot.com/hardware/...700pro/005.htm
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Old 08-20-02, 03:02 AM   #4
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yes, Jedi Knight is very CPU dependant..Commanche is as well, although nvidia cards always seem to win in it anyway.
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Old 08-20-02, 03:28 AM   #5
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Originally posted by Matthyahuw
These benchies are confusing me...
Please don't go flaming now, I love what this card can do, but something's up...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
The 9700 only beats the GF4 in Comanche4 by 3fps @ 1600!
And JK2 by 15fps @ 1600...
the GF4 beat the 9700 on both @ 1024 as well...
Did I miss something?
Well you missed alot

Notice how performance does not change at all on Radeon 9700 its CPU or Driver limited JK2 http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/r300/page21.asp
Shees you missed Stelar AA performance http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/r300/page25.asp
Or Aniso and AA enabled
http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/r300/page28.asp

Better yet Check this out best showoff

http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/...00pro(6).shtml


Now how can anyone say GF4 is better lol
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Old 08-20-02, 03:31 AM   #6
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Ill just wait until something makes more than 100 fps with codecreature mark.

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Some people complain about Commanche 4 Performance



http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/...00pro(7).shtml
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Old 08-20-02, 03:45 AM   #8
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Although the the R300 is insanely fast, as the GF4 when it was released, I'd find it hard to justify spending almost twice as much on a new card for less than twice the performance gain.

Since nothing is going to make use of the newer features of the card, at least until DX9 is released, it just seems to make sense to wait. I get all the eye candy I need in the few games I play (NWN, DS etc).

I think January will be good time to look at upgrading. There will be quite a few more options then, Trident, nVidia, and ATi, and DX9 will have been released. Then we'll have some nice demos and maybe someone will finally get to review the other features of the cards that are also interesting such as DVD playback quality and offline 3D modelling.
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Old 08-20-02, 03:52 AM   #9
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Although the the R300 is insanely fast, as the GF4 when it was released, I'd find it hard to justify spending almost twice as much on a new card for less than twice the performance gain.
The 9700 seems to be twice as fast (or more) when you enable AA and anisotropic filtering. Why wouldn't you want that?
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The 9700 seems to be twice as fast (or more) when you enable AA and anisotropic filtering. Why wouldn't you want that?
i want 8x FSAA or some method that gets rid of jaggies! at B3D i saw little to no difference in 4x -> 6x. the card shoudl be able to handle 8x with decent speed
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i want 8x FSAA or some method that gets rid of jaggies! at B3D i saw little to no difference in 4x -> 6x. the card shoudl be able to handle 8x with decent speed
i don't think even the nv30 will be able to handle 8x FSAA with good speed

look at the pics at the bottom on this page and ull see that 4x removes most of the visible "jaggies" (hehe nice word) so the difference between 4x and 6x is little as most of the edges r quite smooth. Hothardware even said that 6x FSAA is better than Matroxs 16x FAA so i think it must be real good.

with the r400 and nv30 ill think we could see 8x FSAA be used and still be playable
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Old 08-20-02, 09:38 AM   #12
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Default Re: 9700 is great, shouldn't it be better?

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Originally posted by Matthyahuw
These benchies are confusing me...
Please don't go flaming now, I love what this card can do, but something's up...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1683&p=9
The 9700 only beats the GF4 in Comanche4 by 3fps @ 1600!
And JK2 by 15fps @ 1600...
the GF4 beat the 9700 on both @ 1024 as well...
Did I miss something?
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Results with radeon 9700 4x fsaa&16xaniso-gf4 4xfsaa& only 4xaniso.
UT2003 1024x768 antalus Radeon=66-Gf4=30.Well I guess 100% is just slow.Lets move on.
UT2003 1600x1200 antalus Radeon=31-Gf4=11.Hmm 200% faster?No no no that's still a bit slow.
Jedi Knight 2 1280x1024 Radeon=139-Gf4=50.About 165% faster.
Jedi Knight 2 1600x1200 Radeon=101-Gf4=21.It's about 400% faster,not even 1000%,well lets hope for better drives!!
The nice part is that anand didn't use same setting aniso for Gf4 for the simple reason that it would get A VERY LARGE ZERO!!!
No need to flame the results speak for themselves.
The number you have posted are of cpu limited games.The -1 or 3 fps will be corrected in a future driver release.
Please don't compare the Radeon 9700 with the Gf4 it's ridiculous and you know it!!
I'm waiting to see what nv30 brings to the table.

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