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Old 12-07-07, 07:40 PM   #1
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Exclamation Official NVNEWS Game Review System

With all of the negativity involved with professional review sites recently, most gamers here are relying more and more on feedback from other members when choosing games.

What we lack is an adequate scoring system for people to really judge how good a game is. Also, many users (especially those who's first language is not English) tend to skip excessively long and detailed posts, so they could be missing several opinions.

I know a lot of people don't like numbering systems for games, but I think I've developed one that works rather well.

Here is an overview of the scoring system:

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NvScore Game Review System:


All individual ratings are out of 10. Overall score shows separate "gameplay" and "presentation" averages.

Gameplay:

Fun Factor = How much FUN the game was to play. Basically, a measurement of how often I was excited or had a big grin on my face while playing.

Examples:
Humorous events or dialog, addicting and rewarding "just one more..." gameplay, adrenaline filled action or cutscenes that keep you on the edge of your seat.


Replayability = How likely I am to continue playing the game. If a game is replayable, it is consistently entertaining, offers enjoyment even after I've done it all, or just has a LOT to do.

Examples:
Multiple paths that are worth playing, multiple endings that are worth seeing, multiplayer that keeps you coming back for more, generally flexible "sandbox" gameplay that allows you to play as much as you want, any way you want.


Impression = The lasting appeal and overall feeling of the game. When I am no longer playing the game, these are the things I'm going to appreciate.

Examples:
Great atmosphere, a living and breathing game world, well written story, memorable characters or places, unique gameplay elements, balanced multiplayer, memorable and unique multiplayer moments.



Presentation:

Graphics = How much I liked the visuals.

Examples:
Cutting edge graphics effects, high quality artwork, advanced physics, unique graphics style, great art direction.


Sound = How much I liked the audio.

Examples:
Advanced atmospheric effects, high quality sound effects, great dialog and voice acting, great music.


Polish = How smooth and bug free the game experience was for me.

Examples:

Playable framerates that properly reflect the visuals and hardware being used, few glitches that effect gameplay, high overall smoothness and playability of the game.
If I were to post a score of Bioshock, it would be something like this:

My NvScore for Bioshock (PC):
Gameplay:
Fun Factor=6
Replayability=5
Impression=7

Presentation:
Graphics=8
Sound=9
Polish=9

Final Scores:
Gameplay=6
Presentation=8.6



The system is meant to be flexible and should eliminate some of the bias you may have about a game. When you break a game down into the individual parts that really matter, its much easier to rate it without ending up with numbers that are too low or, more commonly, numbers that are too high.

If everyone adopts this, we could have a pretty reliable and easy to follow scoring system.

If you put "My NvScore for *gametitle*" at the top of your rating, it'll also make it very easy for other users to search the forums for reviews and scores by other members. For example, a simple search for "NvScore Bioshock" would bring up all of the posts made to review Bioshock and you could get a general idea of what each user thought of the game.

I'd also like to add that 5 is "average". A game that gets a 5 in both gameplay and graphics may be worth playing, but simply isn't noteworthy in any way. Games do not require 8 or 9 out of 10 ratings just to be "fair". Rate a game according to your personal experiences, NOT what you think others will get out of it.

Let me know what you guys think.
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Old 12-07-07, 07:46 PM   #2
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Sounds good but I dout it will really work out due to too many members thinking technical graphics are better then an artistic direction. I mean look how many complain about "blurry textures" but will praise a generic looking games graphics even though it has some poor art direction.

Maybe under presentation you should break down the technical aspect and the art and design aspect. Bioshock had good graphics but they werent mind blowing yet the art direction was amazing.
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Sounds good but I dout it will really work out due to too many members thinking technical graphics are better then an artistic direction. I mean look how many complain about "blurry textures" but will praise a generic looking games graphics even though it has some poor art direction.

Maybe under presentation you should break down the technical aspect and the art and design aspect. Bioshock had good graphics but they werent mind blowing yet the art direction was amazing.
Excellent point. IMO, good art in an outdated engine nearly always looks better than mediocre art in a new engine.
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Old 12-07-07, 07:49 PM   #4
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this is a good rating system
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Old 12-07-07, 07:52 PM   #5
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Sounds good but I dout it will really work out due to too many members thinking technical graphics are better then an artistic direction. I mean look how many complain about "blurry textures" but will praise a generic looking games graphics even though it has some poor art direction.

Maybe under presentation you should break down the technical aspect and the art and design aspect. Bioshock had good graphics but they werent mind blowing yet the art direction was amazing.
Thats a good idea, but I think it is a personal preference thing. A lot of people don't really even notice or care about art direction. These people would probably just give a random score or make it the same as the general graphics score.

I tried to keep the categories wide enough that just about everyone could relate to them and come up with an honest score.

Its also worth noting that if there are people that are reliably giving scores that you completely agree with, you could do searches for reviews by those users alone. If there are users that are rating things completely differently than you (for example, no emphasis on art direction) you can just ignore that portion of their review.
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Default Re: Official NVNEWS Game Review System

Hmm... I am considering what you said magus. I wanted to keep the categories pretty simple, but it could be good to split graphics into 2 categories.

What do you guys think?

Split graphics into 2:

Graphics-Technical
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Graphics-Artistic

Yes or no?
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no, just keep it simple
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I agree Capt N. One of the things that draws me back repeatedly to this site is the feedback from our members on various games. For example, I would NEVER know how good The Witcher was if I hadn't been here. I've already read the professional reviews and it didn't make it out to be the game I would spend so much time with. But after reading the feedbacks here, well, I went out and bought it, and it's one of my favorite games this year.

Having a guideline to simplify things will make it easier to judge. I personally don't care what scores other gives it, as long as its their honest opinion of the game. If they think it sucks, it sucks, if they think it's great, it's great. At least this way, I don't have to question if they were paid off by the publishers or advertisers.
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Hmm... I am considering what you said magus. I wanted to keep the categories pretty simple, but it could be good to split graphics into 2 categories.

What do you guys think?

Split graphics into 2:

Graphics-Technical
and
Graphics-Artistic

Yes or no?
If it were me, I'd do away with the whole graphics section and just call it "art direction." If you want to know whether or not the game has good graphics, just look at screenshots.
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If it were me, I'd do away with the whole graphics section and just call it "art direction." If you want to know whether or not the game has good graphics, just look at screenshots.
I see your point, but a lot of people are very much interested in a game's technical aspects. Screenshots can be fairly misleading as well, for example, static or painted on shadows, fake environment map reflections that only look right in one scene, textures that look good at a certain distance but horrible from anywhere else...

Having separate presentation and gameplay portions of the review eliminates the problem of having a horrible game with amazing graphics get an overall 7\10, so graphics quality can be rated without unbalancing the score.
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I see your point, but a lot of people are very much interested in a game's technical aspects. Screenshots can be fairly misleading as well, for example, static or painted on shadows, fake environment map reflections that only look right in one scene, textures that look good at a certain distance but horrible from anywhere else...

Having separate presentation and gameplay portions of the review eliminates the problem of having a horrible game with amazing graphics get an overall 7\10, so graphics quality can be rated without unbalancing the score.

ok that's fine with me, but I think the technical score should be in relation to the game's system. For example, the SNES game chrono trigger would get a 1 compared to today's games, when in reality the graphics were mind blowing for the SNES system.

ie a Wii game would be reviewed in respect to the Wii's potential, not compared to 360 graphics.


I also think you should have to post a digital photo of the game box so people know you own it. This would eliminate dick heads from reviewing games they've never played, or played once on a gamestop demo console.
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I get most of my impressions from forums like this, but I tend to read through most posts unless they are far too long or hard to read to get an impression, a scoring system sounds reasonable and I'd certainly give it a try.

I do think that it will be hard to manage the scale system, 5 for most people is not average and I think you will see that overtime or even straight away people will give average games 7 scores.

Do we endeavour to keep track of these scores, or just have them in the official game thread?
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