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Old 12-10-07, 09:48 AM   #25
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Just playing devils advocate here...

So how far would you all let this go? What if they came out with 400p upscaled? Would it still be no big deal?

I somewhat agree with the lawsuit. Its like saying a car is suppose to come with 255/50-16 tires but it really only came with 225/40-16 tires but its ok cause they perform exactly the same.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:18 AM   #26
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Just playing devils advocate here...

So how far would you all let this go? What if they came out with 400p upscaled? Would it still be no big deal?

I somewhat agree with the lawsuit. Its like saying a car is suppose to come with 255/50-16 tires but it really only came with 225/40-16 tires but its ok cause they perform exactly the same.

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i'm sorry, but upscaling (stretching) is not the same. Its simply is false advertising, or misleading advertising.

Here is halo3 back of the box.


It should say 720p/1080 provided by upscaling, or something simular.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:19 AM   #27
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I somewhat agree with the lawsuit. Its like saying a car is suppose to come with 255/50-16 tires but it really only came with 225/40-16 tires but its ok cause they perform exactly the same.
Not really, those are pretty drastically different tire sizes.

However I do get you point.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:25 AM   #28
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this game is one of the better looking games out there considering that there are no insane texture popins like mass effect, and it is not all dark colors to cover the edges of objects. The lighting in there was some of the best as well.

So why the hell do we care? Due to the wonders of the xbox hardware, the games can render/scale to any res that the xbox supports, so isn't that pretty close to what the box says?
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Old 12-10-07, 10:26 AM   #29
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Not really, those are pretty drastically different tire sizes.

However I do get you point.
how would you feel, if you would buy a 5.7 liter v8 mustang, and realize, you have 5.55 liter v8?

note: just made up the engine sizes.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:38 AM   #30
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how would you feel, if you would buy a 5.7 liter v8 mustang, and realize, you have 5.55 liter v8?

note: just made up the engine sizes.
A 5.0L Mustang is actually 4.9 something. We should sue Ford for the millions of them out there.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:41 AM   #31
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Just playing devils advocate here...

So how far would you all let this go? What if they came out with 400p upscaled? Would it still be no big deal?

I somewhat agree with the lawsuit. Its like saying a car is suppose to come with 255/50-16 tires but it really only came with 225/40-16 tires but its ok cause they perform exactly the same.
It isn't if it is a big deal or not. If Halo3's graphics on a 1080p tv sucked ass, no one would buy it.

Besides, your comparision is apples and oranges. It is more like a car saying that it will fit 255/50-16, 255/40-16, 255/30-16 tires and doesn't say exactly which ones it comes with.

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i'm sorry, but upscaling (stretching) is not the same. Its simply is false advertising, or misleading advertising.

It should say 720p/1080 provided by upscaling, or something simular.
Halo3 supports all those resolutions, why should it have to specifiy in exacting detail how it does so?

Please try to keep in mind the line between being reasonable and unreasonable is sometimes unclear. You do know why there are warnings on microwave popcorn bags not to look into the bag right after microwaving it? Do you know why there are warnings on Finnish Chainsaws not to stop the moving blade between your legs?
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Old 12-10-07, 10:45 AM   #32
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While I think the whole upscaling thing is crap (and their explanation that they're using two framebuffers is even more crap), if they're going to sue over Halo they should sue a whole bunch of other games too. There's a list of the resolutions games run at here: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...&postcount=454

Note how many of them are <720P.
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Old 12-10-07, 10:58 AM   #33
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Halo3 supports all those resolutions, why should it have to specifiy in exacting detail how it does so?

So great, you would be perfectly happy if both the 720p and 1080i res were nothing but 480p upscaled?

This issue to me is very similar to Bioshock no supporting true widescreen. Sure its not the end of the world but its not proper either. Half truths, white lies.
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Old 12-10-07, 11:03 AM   #34
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LOL,

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So great, you would be perfectly happy if both the 720p and 1080i res were nothing but 480p upscaled?

happy? prolly not.. but that would just mean I wouldn't buy any more games from them in the future. Sort of like not liking a game because it has bad graphics. I can't DO anything about it.

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This issue to me is very similar to Bioshock no supporting true widescreen.
funny... it was widescreen for me. proper aspect ratio..letter boxed viewport. Oh oh wait.. its not widescreen because "You can see more in the full screen mode"...

pfft
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happy? prolly not.. but that would just mean I wouldn't buy any more games from them in the future. Sort of like not liking a game because it has bad graphics. I can't DO anything about it.



funny... it was widescreen for me. proper aspect ratio..letter boxed viewport. Oh oh wait.. its not widescreen because "You can see more in the full screen mode"...

pfft
ok, so many people don't even know about, this is good for customer to know, so in future maybe they would make that choice and not support these white lies.

speaking of widescreen, entire idea of widescreen is to see more on the sides, not less on top and bottom. Incorrect FOV in Bioshock can also cause some people to have headaches, which could be avoided if they would use the correct widescreen with correct FOV.
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