Party's over folks... Universal is not renewing HD-DVD contract

[Gaco]

Originally Posted by Peoples-Agent

It's quite simple to see it will come good, but only when it needs to.

I just hope they re-issue alot of the older releases.

Me too.. and I too that they in time hope will abandon MPEG2 completely so we don't even have to worry about it anymore and check with each release. I think it's because MPEG2 was used for DVD an therefor the authoring tools and experience is much more ready for an MPEG2 encoding on Blu-rays also (luckily BD's have the capacity to make MPEG2 look awesome in the right hands), but the trend has been a falling amount of MPEG2 movies because most studios are readjusting (Fox seems to be the slowest one) to either mostly MPEG4 AVC but also VC-1. But in any case I trust hidefdigest's reviews enough to buy any MPEG2 title that receives praise for it's video quality.

Originally Posted by evilchris

Gaco you sound like a Sony CES rep spewing talking points.

Blu-ray is in no way "clearly superior technology".

BDJ is a disgusting mess. Sony agrees. Sony ( your shill job ) preferred HDi from the start.

We also keep hearing about how much more capable BD is....the proof is in the pudding. I know "just you wait!"

I have stated several reasons why I think it's clearly superior technology, you just do you usual: disagree without presenting any counter arguments or elaborating on your statements whatsoever.

BDJ is a disgusting mess - your opinion
Sony agree - would like to see some documentation of this
They preferred HDi from the beginning - I doubt this as well though in the event of this being correct, perhaps they chose BDJ for a reason, no?

Originally Posted by evilchris

Gaco is in love with the format, the plastic disc part of it. Not the end result. The product. "Just you wait, it has so much potential!!"

The end result in my opinion is 95% identical both in quality and features to the HD DVD when judging off the same multiformat titles. They are equal now and dependent on whether you prefer best sound possible or best interactive features possible, you may lean slightly towards Blu-ray or HD DVD. But the difference then is, Blu-ray hold far more future potential than HD DVD. And yes I love that fact. And I love the fact that if one of them should win, it ended up being the more future proof.

[evilchris]

Wow Blu-ray is future proof now?

As far as counter arguments, it's just so old at this point. In this forum, we've done it a million times, like the pot threads in the Open Forum. PS3 fanboys don't listen to facts and I literally have given up.

[Gaco]

Originally Posted by evilchris

Wow Blu-ray is future proof now?

As far as counter arguments, it's just so old at this point. In this forum, we've done it a million times, like the pot threads in the Open Forum. PS3 fanboys don't listen to facts and I literally have given up.

Yes I believe Blu-ray is more future proof. Because in the world of physical media more capacity equals more futureproof IMO. This is an opinion, not a fact but I base it on the facts of Blu-ray and HD DVD.

I'm stating the facts in my last post (also in post#45 in this thread), you are simply refusing to comment on them. That's not proving anything besides you being unwilling to discuss or answering my questions and requests for external sources, for whatever reason.

[six_storm]

Am I the only one that just wants to watch the movie? Screw whether or not the disc has more capacity, I just want the movie in HD with 5.1 SS.

[six_storm]

Originally Posted by -=Gib-McFragger=-

Nope. You are like me. I just want to watch the damn movie. I don't care about the extra crap.

Thank you. I just wish HD-DVD and BR could come together to play nice but you know that anything worth having doesn't come without a price.

[XDanger]

Big storage capacity ,who doesn't want that?

[Gaco]

Originally Posted by -=Gib-McFragger=-

Blu-ray is more future proof man, it's has M0r3 gigabytz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More space is good for cramming more useless 'features' and 'extras' onto the discs. That makes them FUTURE PROOF!!!!

Let's be honest. If Sony wasn't buying off every production company in existance, Blu-ray would be dead. It is an inferior media which unfortunately has more movie titles at the moment. That is the only thing saving it's arse. The players cost more and are only now catching up to HD-DVD in terms of features and navigation.

You're opinion, fine. Media authors will always find ways to take advantage of every last MB that is at their disposal. Ironically those "useless features and extras" is apparently the main argument pro HD DVD besides having cheaper 1080i machines with a format not commited to the 1080p 24 FPS standard.

If you only care about the movie, Blu-ray has currently same video quality, but more often uncompressed audio tracks. Player price are just 10-30$ more expensive on 1080p players last time I checked. If you want to have a 1080i player you can have it cheaper though. But the player being a one-time expense, I consider software prices a lot more important and those are in for both formats the same.

And lets be honest. HD DVD Promotion group bought off Paramount Pictures half a year back as well. Sony was just better at marketing and made a good choice of throwing in the BD drive in the PS3 (from the perspective of the format war, not gaming console war) and Blu-ray was just selling better all along.

[Gaco]

Originally Posted by XDanger

Big storage capacity ,who doesn't want that?

One sentence:

"640KB ought to be enough for anyone"

Some people haven't learned

[evilchris]

Originally Posted by XDanger

Big storage capacity ,who doesn't want that?

I do, if we were talking about computers and not movies.

[evilchris]

Originally Posted by Gaco

You're opinion, fine. Media authors will always find ways to take advantage of every last MB that is at their disposal.

Is that why the half of BD's are on BD25?

Is that why there are BD50's with only 32GB used?

Is that why there are MPEG2 BD's @ 18Mbps?

[Gaco]

Originally Posted by evilchris

Is that why the half of BD's are on BD25?

Nope that is because of the cost yields of manufactoring a BD50 disc. The fraction of BD50's are quickly and steadily rising rising though. Notice that as good as all new releases within the past month have all been BD50.

Originally Posted by evilchris

Is that why there are BD50's with only 32GB used?

Is that why there are MPEG2 BD's @ 18Mbps?

In some cases it's because the technology was in it's infancy. In most cases though it was because the given titel was also published for HD DVD. The studios (with few exceptions) aren't willing to spend resources on a HD DVD encoding AND a Blu-ray encoding so the HD DVD became the lowest denominator. Luckily this is probably not an issue in the future since more studios are beginning to go Blu-ray exclusive.

[evilchris]

Originally Posted by Gaco

In some cases it's because the technology was in it's infancy. In most cases though it was because the given titel was also published for HD DVD. The studios (with few exceptions) aren't willing to spend resources on a HD DVD encoding AND a Blu-ray encoding so the HD DVD became the lowest denominator. Luckily this is probably not an issue in the future since more studios are beginning to go Blu-ray exclusive.

This is a complete crock of ****. No one buys the "lowest common denominator" line of FUD. Plenty of BD EXCLUSIVE titles out there on BD25 with asstastic encodes. Plenty of BD EXCLUSIVE titles out there on BD50 with asstastic encodes. Let me guess, they were doing those "just in case" they went neutral, right? Also, why is it BD's BEST EXCLUSIVE TITLES on BD50's look no better than HD DVD's? You have eaten the FUD hook, line, and sinker.

Gaco, this is how I picture you:



Gaco, find me a BD50 from an exclusive studio that surpasses the best HD DVD's. You can't. Oh I know, it's because the technology "is in its infancy" right? I should "just wait" since awesome things are coming, right? BD has had two years to show one single advantage ON THE SCREEN where it counts. If you *could* make a BD outshine an HD DVD, it would have been done. Do you think Sony would NOT do a mega high bitrate encode to blow away HD DVD if they could? No one gives a **** about specs except fanboys. The end result is what appears on the screen. BD holds no advantage. All you want to do is spew talking points and mindless dribble the BDA has fed you. Nearly 500 BD's out there, haven't found a single one that shows BD can do more than HD DVD. My response to your debate is : SHOW ME.

Balls' in your court.