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Old 04-25-03, 03:00 PM   #85
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5150

thanks for the clarification.

i will go do the same just a sec.

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Old 04-25-03, 03:00 PM   #86
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You were claiming that your radeon 9800 was getting 1550 marks, so what the heck is your problem? You are refuting your earlier post.

Those are decent scores for your system.

I never said that my 9700 non pro was stock. So the frequencies are still valid.

What's your proposition then?

Jeez

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Yes, we are testing cards underclocked at 300/300.

So you agree that my score of 5500's is "decent" i could probly get a few hundred more if i had agp8x and VERY aggressive ram timeings. But the 845PE chipset dose not support AGP8x and my ram timeings are fine as they are.

SO baiscly you are saying

My system is fine at its normal clock speeds. But when its underclocked my system is 'built wrong'.

Thx, just proved my point =]
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Old 04-25-03, 03:02 PM   #87
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Yes, we are testing cards underclocked at 300/300.

So you agree that my score of 5500's is "decent" i could probly get a few hundred more if i had agp8x and VERY aggressive ram timeings. But the 845PE chipset dose not support AGP8x and my ram timeings are fine as they are.

SO baiscly you are saying

My system is fine at its normal clock speeds. But when its underclocked my system is 'built wrong'.

Thx, just proved my point =]
He thought your system was FUBAR due to the 1500 score w/out knowledge of you having underclocked the card. I maintain that you either a) purposely altered settings in the control panel to yield a lower score b) are a moron with a FUBAR system. So which is it? Surely my results cannot be skewed considering I have an older card, slower system with an older mainboard chipset.
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Old 04-25-03, 03:05 PM   #88
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ease up tiger.

the Radeon drivers are not SMP aware nor do they support multi-threading (they still operate in single CPU mode. pretty damn well too). why should they? when they fully support linux, they will most likely bring that online, i would guess. (for example i can run all id games and all games based on Q3 or Doom engine in SMP accelerated mode. silky nvidia ncreamy smoothness my smp brother)

the FireGL drivers were multi-threaded when developed by DiamondMultimedia on the IBM chipset, but im not sure about it on the ATi solution. its probably a large reason why the current firegl solution is so much slower in applications than the QuadroFX.
Hey I know the drivers aren't SMP Aware, and aren't multi-threaded. If you have ever sat down and tried to write a video driver (I have access to ATI's driver development program) then SMP and multi-threading are the last thing on your mind. Still it hardly sites as a reason for making it "impossible" to use.

Last time I played Quake 3 (on my old 8500) it also ran great in SMP mode, it got nearly 2x the fps. Last I heard ID had broke it in a patch, then fixed it then they disabled it.

At the moment it's really only the R300 that are CPU driven on Linux (as far as I can remember). I started writing a Radeon driver for the R200 a while back, but someone else beat our team with a very good attempt just as we were getting started. The Beos Driver has hardware acceleration for all the necessary functions up to the R300. What do you class as hardware accelerated? What the Xfree86 R300 is missing is video-video blitting, and system-to-memory blitting etc, hence it has to manually redraw the framebuffer every frame, which is very CPU intensive. I think ATI just don't want to open source their hardware. We haven't even got the Xfree R300 code to work properly in BeOS. Very strange. Ati's "driver developer site" is of no use either, and they don't provide assistance.

Someone else commented on the Radeon 64 DDR BSOD in win2k... well yeah no change there, nor for everyone else. My old Athlon 800 had the same problem with a 7200, and Geforce 2 as well as the Tyan Tiger MP system. The story repeated for the first 6 months of WinXP as well, yet the PC's magically cured themselves through windows "critical" updates, many new bios's, and driver updates.
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LOL now you can't even keep track of who said what. Good god you truly are a lost cause.
Ran out of ideas?

Since i Quoted Rogo, i was responding too this last 2 posts.

He was confused, about the clock speeds we were useing.
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Hey I know the drivers aren't SMP Aware, and aren't multi-threaded. If you have ever sat down and tried to write a video driver (I have access to ATI's driver development program) then SMP and multi-threading are the last thing on your mind. Still it hardly sites as a reason for making it "impossible" to use.

Last time I played Quake 3 (on my old 8500) it also ran great in SMP mode, it got nearly 2x the fps. Last I heard ID had broke it in a patch, then fixed it then they disabled it.

At the moment it's really only the R300 that are CPU driven on Linux (as far as I can remember). I started writing a Radeon driver for the R200 a while back, but someone else beat our team with a very good attempt just as we were getting started. The Beos Driver has hardware acceleration for all the necessary functions up to the R300. What do you class as hardware accelerated? What the Xfree86 R300 is missing is video-video blitting, and system-to-memory blitting etc, hence it has to manually redraw the framebuffer every frame, which is very CPU intensive. I think ATI just don't want to open source their hardware. We haven't even got the Xfree R300 code to work properly in BeOS. Very strange. Ati's "driver developer site" is of no use either, and they don't provide assistance.

Someone else commented on the Radeon 64 DDR BSOD in win2k... well yeah no change there, nor for everyone else. My old Athlon 800 had the same problem with a 7200, and Geforce 2 as well as the Tyan Tiger MP system. The story repeated for the first 6 months of WinXP as well, yet the PC's magically cured themselves through windows "critical" updates, many new bios's, and driver updates.
Your right, i did notice alot of the probelms with my Tyan Tiger MP system go away after a critical update! I get the feeling it was the Athlon Pageing problem? I do rember a certin set of nvidia drivers would cause the pageing to go wild. Scotty at http://www.commanderkitty.com had an attack of the same probelm. Weird.
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Old 04-25-03, 03:22 PM   #91
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Alright

Here is my 9700 non pro score at 300/300.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=655484

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4200

with cat 3.2s and dx9.0a

I still think your 1500 score is messed up glowstick.

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Why would you underclock it in the first place?

I noticed that many of your 2003 run throughs weren't finished. Did you hack the registry?

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Why would you underclock it in the first place?

I noticed that many of your 2003 run throughs weren't finished. Did you hack the registry?

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Well the 3dmark03 score is just based on the game tests, the rest is nice to compare to other systems.

Ok, my results may be odd.

I can look into this, i think may be a problem with underclocking it with my utility.
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Low FPS Resolution dm-antalus dom-suntemple dm-phobos2 dm-inferno ctf-face3 ctf-citadel dm-asbestos
1024x768 85.917206 76.167679 51.772167 59.515678 30.955866 51.655670 95.369110


Average FPS Resolution dm-antalus dom-suntemple dm-phobos2 dm-inferno ctf-face3 ctf-citadel dm-asbestos
1024x768 144.606400 153.680740 151.748825 125.110313 159.209457 124.730850 207.808014


High FPS Resolution dm-antalus dom-suntemple dm-phobos2 dm-inferno ctf-face3 ctf-citadel dm-asbestos
1024x768 684.653381 456.609161 602.087769 469.915924 666.131226 311.095612 566.900085




This test was run using the High Quality Option
This test was run using the Direct3D Rendering Engine
This test was run using the full version of Unreal Tournament 2003
This test was run using the Custom_MaxDetail.ini provided by [H]ard|OCP


EDIT: These test were done with 2x AA and 2x AF.
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Thank you I will go run my tests after I grab some beer

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Thank you I will go run my tests after I grab some beer

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Cool.

I cannot wait for NV to release the new Det FX drivers.
I bet we see a nice speed and IQ bump.

I played UT for about 5 hours last night.
It run so sweet all night.
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